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Tell me why God doesn't exist, and I'll tell you why your'e wrong.

waitasec

Veteran Member
atheism is a form of evolutionary belief system which involves no creator.
i disagree. i believe we are all atheists by default

Without the influence of a new belief where is science and non-belief leading humanity?

look at history...what has the new belief done that was so wonderful?
crusades, jihads, death for apostasy...
the new belief is just another justification for bad behavior...when good behavior was already a given.

since the age of enlightenment...a by product of free thinking...we are at least heading towards a new direction...
 

crocusj

Active Member
If thought is a form of energy God as a "conscious energy" is not unfathomable for me. Think of God as a giant ball of collective thought that can always be tapped into.
Now if that ball were to cover the universe and the universe is supposedly infinite, wouldn't that be infinite knowledge?
I have given some research to my beliefs and they do have a scientific basis, but I cant explain everything and expect you to find your own belief.
That's a lot of "ifs". Including the one about the universe being infinite. Still doesn't answer - or come close to answering - how, why and how you know. You are the one making the claims, fair enough I suppose. For you.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
I want to hang with your crowd. I'd say 30-50% of the people I know can discuss their beliefs without getting frustrated.
Your more then welcome to join the brain trust. =D

Pro tip the more you learn from others the more we can all share with each other
 

Pozessed

Todd
I'm an American, a devout believer, a fiercely protective mother, and all of the above informs my support of keeping God out of schools. You have no right to indoctrinate my child. Schools are for education, not prayer.{/quote]

Prayer is not education? Do you not believe the knowledge of God is more enlightening than any book man could ever write?

Oh, really? Then why was your op dripping with it?

other than saying "a lot" of this community "seems" closed minded, I see no harm.
also note I didn't refer to everyone and my comment has always been stated as an opinion.


I didn't even get to your answers. This is about your opening.


More than you'd think, but you obviously don't see the need.

Unfortunately I am surrounded by more non-believers than believers. So that is where my statistics derive from.
I don't see the need to try to open the eyes of people who have a strong belief in God. They already have the answers they need.
 

Pozessed

Todd
i disagree. i believe we are all atheists by default



look at history...what has the new belief done that was so wonderful?
crusades, jihads, death for apostasy...
the new belief is just another justification for bad behavior...when good behavior was already a given.

since the age of enlightenment...a by product of free thinking...we are at least heading towards a new direction...

Those were the consequences of man made religion.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
When has everyone found and followed their own path to God without judging others for their beliefs?

Why do you keep changing the subject?

It's like you said, "Birds sing because of the microwaves in the atmosphere"

And someone asked, "Well then how do you account for the fact that birds were singing back when there weren't any microwaves"

And you responded with, "Birds don't really sing you know, they just tweet".


If you don't want to answer the question, just don't answer it. No need to dance around it. :)
 

Pozessed

Todd
That's a lot of "ifs". Including the one about the universe being infinite. Still doesn't answer - or come close to answering - how, why and how you know. You are the one making the claims, fair enough I suppose. For you.

Have you even tried to prove my theory wrong before you judged it? I said there is science behind it, seek it out.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Prayer is not education? Do you not believe the knowledge of God is more enlightening than any book man could ever write?
Prayer has nothing to do with knowledge. God is beyond human thought, and I bet you'd see it my way if students were mandated to read the Satanic Bible.

other than saying "a lot" of this community "seems" closed minded, I see no harm.
also note I didn't refer to everyone and my comment has always been stated as an opinion.
Your exact words were "you all." Would you like me to quote? There's also the issue of hypocrisy.

Further, the point of this site is to promote the free exchange of ideas. That means you listen to people and think about what they say, not declare them wrong before they get a word out. Your very title is a slap in the face.

Unfortunately I am surrounded by more non-believers than believers. So that is where my statistics derive from.
I don't see the need to try to open the eyes of people who have a strong belief in God. They already have the answers they need.
I think your "statistics" have a hell of a lot more to do with your personal stereotypes than any actual experience, to say nothing of controlled studies.
 

Pozessed

Todd
Certainly not when there was in-school indoctrination. Try to be consistent, at least.

My use of God and education was an example of how God is being taken out of our society.
As a believer you think no connection to God is better than a false connection to God?
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
My use of God and education was an example of how God is being taken out of our society.
As a believer you think no connection to God is better than a false connection to God?
As a believer, I deny the rights of strangers to decide which connections are false for me and mine. Have you heard of the First Amendment?

How would you respond if your 5 year old had to pray to Mecca five times a day, or perform a black mass?
 

crocusj

Active Member
Have you even tried to prove my theory wrong before you judged it? I said there is science behind it, seek it out.
Seek bugger all. This is a forum. I'm not here to prove you wrong nor have I judged you or any theory. I have asked you questions which you seem reluctant to answer. Fair enough, I suppose.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
you concept of god does not exist because i am god. ergo you are wrong. and i can prove i exist by typing this,
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Can you clarify please?
I don't know whats to miss in either explanation of the big bang that states the universe was born. Those were nasas own words.
"NASA" isn't a person. "NASA" doesn't speak.

The Big Bang theory says that the universe has expanded from a singularity... a point, basically. It doesn't say anything that happened before this. It doesn't say anything about anything before Planck Time after the Big Bang. Between the Big Bang and Planck Time, the laws of physics as we know them break down.

It says nothing about what happened before the Big Bang, or even if time existed for there to be a "before", or for terms like "from" (as in "from nothing") to be meaningful.

True or false anything and everything created has some way of signifying its build up to creation?
I can't figure out what you're trying to ask by that question.

If that sequence is found in almost everything, why isn't it classified as a signature other than people don't believe it so?
You think the Fibonacci sequence is found in "almost everything"?

Common effects suggest (though don't guarantee) common causes, but this doesn't necessarily imply that the cause is intelligent.

So passing good positive energy to help humanity isn't reasonable or logical?
It has nothing to do with the point I was making.
 
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