many quakers recognize christ as all beings as being sacred and thus show them reverence.
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Tell me your doubt/why you do not believe Christianity
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I disagree with your premises.
Sin? -- an Abrahamic concept. Banishment? What does that mean? Banished from what? Banished how?
I question "God's solution." Solution to what?
The Jesus story is not only unevidenced, but the interpretation is fantastical. And doesn't a "solution" presuppose a problem? What evidence is there for a problem?
The whole Bible story is unevidenced. Much of it is fantasy. Much is religious propaganda and interpretation, based on a preconceived belief system.
What empirical support does Christian mythology have that's any different from the support for Norse, Egyptian, Indian, or Maya mythology?
Call me name
I'm christian
Nope i know it. Well I just deliver the message and cast away the doubt. But every doubt must be have it own reason. Now here I am trying to answered it.
Well about Justification. Maybe we think that it so silly. Just believe and saved? What?
Well this is more reasonable than we need to do something for to be saved. When we do something to be saved actualy we are made sin again because we are not sincere with our good deeds and sacrifice. Hope this answered.
If there something else just ask me again ya
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Hm.
Actually, I don't know. I never pondered it until I came on this website. Everyone's beliefs are very interesting some more exotic than others.
The nature and movement of the universe is dependent on energy. While we feel there is a pattern, to nature, there isn't. We try to make sense of the world so our brains do so by organizing our thoughts and the outside world. Since we don't know, we develop a lot of cultural and religious means to "find out" the answers. It gives some people comfort, community, and sense of being.
Let me ask, when you say god, do you mean a deity? A being? Like a person?
I never was big on science. During the day, I don't have a chance to sin. I'm mostly at home and nowadays on the computer until I can find work at the same time. I have no reason to sin.
It really depends on the environment too. I was talking to someone yesterday or couple days ago. He said he never had a inner accidental thought that hurt someone (not physically) without them knowing it. I know in the bible it says you can sin without doing anything. I guess it depends on what you believe. Some things are sins like worshiping idols but in general, it isn't a sin at all. It doesn't harm oneself or others, so...
Actually, I don't know. I never pondered it until I came on this website. Everyone's beliefs are very interesting some more exotic than others.
The nature and movement of the universe is dependent on energy. While we feel there is a pattern, to nature, there isn't. We try to make sense of the world so our brains do so by organizing our thoughts and the outside world. Since we don't know, we develop a lot of cultural and religious means to "find out" the answers. It gives some people comfort, community, and sense of being.
Let me ask, when you say god, do you mean a deity? A being? Like a person?
I never was big on science. During the day, I don't have a chance to sin. I'm mostly at home and nowadays on the computer until I can find work at the same time. I have no reason to sin.
It really depends on the environment too. I was talking to someone yesterday or couple days ago. He said he never had a inner accidental thought that hurt someone (not physically) without them knowing it. I know in the bible it says you can sin without doing anything. I guess it depends on what you believe. Some things are sins like worshiping idols but in general, it isn't a sin at all. It doesn't harm oneself or others, so...
Call me name
I'm christian
Mmm
Mmm we are not see all being is sacred. Actualy we are see everything is broken by darkness (sin)
Call me name
I'm christian
Wait I will answered you in some hour... It is 0.36 am here. I am so sorry for you will waiting for my answer .,.
quakers, who identify as christian, see the potential for light and love in all. we're not discussing what other's see, believe.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
What a sad and depressing view of the world you have. If that's what it means to be a Christian then I don't want to have anything to do with it. It has completely blinded you to the beauty of life so that all you see is fear and ugliness.
This is the kind of irrational assertion that convinced me that Christianity is mostly fiction.
If there is a God, He made us as we are. Blaming Adam and Eve for everything from tsunamis and viruses and tornadoes, to our instinctive behaviors like rape, murder, and theft is irrational.
Blaming humans for the way God made us and the Creation we are born into is sufficient evidence to me that Christianity is fiction Created by primitive people. People who wanted to Create a God in their own Image, and then force that upon other people who don't share their God Image.
Like me.
Tom
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
I believe in God full stop.
The Christians talk about Jesus the Christ and many other things. The Christians I have experienced do little to convince me it is all real because many violate their own beliefs.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Genesis creation story, noahs ark, jonah and the whale, these all read like comic book stories.
The sweeping general judgment of all mankind as sinners deserving hell. This is not a just judgment.
The idea of an innocent person must pay for the guilty to satisfy justice to redeem the guilty. If anything it becomes more unjust.
The conformist pressure to accept the ideology or face hell.
It is clearly a flawed human book, the bible.
The sweeping general judgment of all mankind as sinners deserving hell. This is not a just judgment.
The idea of an innocent person must pay for the guilty to satisfy justice to redeem the guilty. If anything it becomes more unjust.
The conformist pressure to accept the ideology or face hell.
It is clearly a flawed human book, the bible.
GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
Why did I stop believing in Christianity?
1. Jesus was not a Christian! He claimed to be the Jewish Messiah and denied that he intended to altar the Jewish law.
2. I cannot accept that we are born sinners. We are born with the capacity to learn to be good, just as we are born able to learn a language: we just need to be taught and to practice.
3. I cannot accept the doctrine of atonement. If I have committed a crime, then I need to be punished: for the punishment to be visited on some-one else, even if they are willing, makes no sense.
4. I see no evidence for the resurrection. No-one saw it, only an empty tomb. The stories of people seeing the physical body of the risen Jesus are all late. Paul was right in saying that the resurrection was important, so why wasn't it done publicly?
5. Jesus made prophecies that did not come true, like saying that his hearers would live to see the end of the world.
6. I cannot accept his teaching. For example, belief that the faults of one life-time justify eternal punishment seems the hight of immorality; even Islam teaches that hell is not eternal.
7. What of all the people who lived before Jesus? If the "incarnation" made the world a better place, why didn't it happen earlier? If the people who lived earlier were not the worse for it, why did it happen at all?
8. If the creator wanted to communicate to mankind, why do it through one obscure figure in an obscure corner of the world? If course the Baha'i will say he did it many times, but they quote people for whom there is no evidence (Moses) or whose teaching is even worse than that of Jesus (Muhammad).
I could go on, but you get the general idea.
1. Jesus was not a Christian! He claimed to be the Jewish Messiah and denied that he intended to altar the Jewish law.
2. I cannot accept that we are born sinners. We are born with the capacity to learn to be good, just as we are born able to learn a language: we just need to be taught and to practice.
3. I cannot accept the doctrine of atonement. If I have committed a crime, then I need to be punished: for the punishment to be visited on some-one else, even if they are willing, makes no sense.
4. I see no evidence for the resurrection. No-one saw it, only an empty tomb. The stories of people seeing the physical body of the risen Jesus are all late. Paul was right in saying that the resurrection was important, so why wasn't it done publicly?
5. Jesus made prophecies that did not come true, like saying that his hearers would live to see the end of the world.
6. I cannot accept his teaching. For example, belief that the faults of one life-time justify eternal punishment seems the hight of immorality; even Islam teaches that hell is not eternal.
7. What of all the people who lived before Jesus? If the "incarnation" made the world a better place, why didn't it happen earlier? If the people who lived earlier were not the worse for it, why did it happen at all?
8. If the creator wanted to communicate to mankind, why do it through one obscure figure in an obscure corner of the world? If course the Baha'i will say he did it many times, but they quote people for whom there is no evidence (Moses) or whose teaching is even worse than that of Jesus (Muhammad).
I could go on, but you get the general idea.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Most things believers have to say are not compelling. They do not make me feel anything. They do not make me believe. They are not at all convincing. Most things believers say about their religion and about God sound like stories to me. My intuition tells me it is all false, and when I then look to the world around me to verify, I see nothing but things that support the idea that it is all false.
If God truly sends the believers to attempt to persuade non-believers, then why are their arguments not more compelling? In general, I have found that the more rational, and logical a person is, the more likely they are to be skeptical of the claims of religions. It would be a start, at least, if religious people could convince these skeptics, but that happens far less often than believers becoming convinced that their beliefs are false. If God cannot win people over with his chosen tools (people) then can it really be that He exists as Christians claim? I don't think it can be.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
I do not doubt Christianity but many people who say they are Christians believe things that are completely different from what Christ taught. So I doubt the beliefs of many who claim to be Christian.
Back up a few steps: I don't even see a reason to believe that God exists. Maybe deal with that before you jump into your beliefs about the plan of salvation.
I don't think it's reasonable to believe that God "saves" people at all. First establish that an afterlife is real, then argue for how you think people will get there.
I don't believe in Christianity because it makes no sense to me.
First and foremost I am not a Christian because I do not believe in the existence of god(s).
But nobody knows what Christ taught.
People just interpret the writings of later folks, and then claim things like "Jesus said..." when it's demonstrably untrue. Jesus didn't say anything in modern English.
Tom
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Quite apart from seeing absolutely no reason to take the idea of god(s) at all seriously, Christianity is absurd. The "human problem" of which you speak, would actually be god's fault - it's god who made us sinners in the first place. If this god didn't want people to sin it should have made better people.
Secondly, the "solution" is barbaric, bizarre, and unjust.