Tennessee passes Law, schools must display “In God We Trust”

[Buddha Dharma]

Tennessee Passes Bill To Place 'In God We Trust' in Every Public School

Tennessee Passes Bill To Place 'In God We Trust' in Every Public School

While this kind of thing isn't right in my opinion, it's far from the biggest concern we should be worrying about. Letting the religious right have the national motto in schools so that they can feel all special and everything is peanuts compared to other issues.

In fact, throwing them this one victory might calm them down for awhile.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Conflating the Christian and Jewish God is lame. They are quite different.

Since when?

 

[Shaul]

Obviously your legislators, and evidently a lot of Tennesseans, are not all that bright. In any case, expect a visit from the ACLU very soon, and don't expect the act to last past Christmas, if that.
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This is way out of line. Whether people happen to agree with you is not the measure of brightness. Talk about ad homenim!

As far as the ACLU goes, they haven’t gotten rid of “In God We Trust” being the National motto after over sixty years. So, don’t hold your breathe.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

While they are both US mottos, “In God We Trust” is the official one. EPluribus Unum is unofficial.

Playing with words, I want to mention that "E Pluribus Unum" is inscribed on the Great Seal of the United States (something at least a little bit "official" I would think), as suggested by the committee Congress appointed on July 4, 1776 fore precisely that purpose. It remains there to this day, while "In God We Trust" is absent.

"In God We Trust" was adopted much later (1956 or 180 years later) in pretty obvious contradiction to the Framers' desire to keep religion out of it, and really is mostly present on money -- also know as "the root of all evil."

You Americans are really good at fooling yourselves about what you think you stand for.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Insecure and weak in faith that they think all mighty God needs slogans.

And an abandonment of the courage of the founders -- after all, read that great document that begins, "We the People..." and count how many times the word "God" appears in it. (The answer, by the way, is ZERO.)

 

[metis]

Conflating the Christian and Jewish God is lame. They are quite different.

Same God, just some differing viewpoints.

 

[Revoltingest]

The earlier mottoes are best....

 

[sun rise]

And an abandonment of the courage of the founders -- after all, read that great document that begins, "We the People..." and count how many times the word "God" appears in it. (The answer, by the way, is ZERO.)

Given that many were deists, I wonder about "providence" being used.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Given that many were deists, I wonder about "providence" being used.

And do you suppose any of those "deists" would ever, could ever, have intoned "in Providence we trust?"

 

[Skwim]

Conflating the Christian and Jewish God is lame. They are quite different.

"In spite of their differences, Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God"
source

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are sometimes called Abrahamic religions because they all accept the tradition of a god, Yahweh, that revealed himself to the prophet Abraham.

The Abrahamic God in this sense is the conception of God that remains a common attribute of all three traditions. God is conceived of as eternal, omnipotent, omniscient and as the creator of the universe. God is further held to have the properties of holiness, justice, omni-benevolence and omnipresence. Proponents of Abrahamic faiths believe that God is also transcendent, meaning that he is outside space and outside time and therefore not subject to anything within his creation, but at the same time a personal God, involved, listening to prayer and reacting to the actions of his creatures.
Source: Wikipedia

"The Abrahamic religions, also referred to collectively as Abrahamism, are a group of Semitic-originated religious communities of faith that claim descent from the practices of the ancient Israelites and the worship of the God of Abraham. The term derives from a figure from the Bible known as Abraham.[1] Abrahamic religion was able to spread globally through Christianity being adopted by the Roman Empire in the 4th century and Islam by the Islamic Empire from the 7th century onward. As a consequence, today the Abrahamic religions are one of the major divisions in comparative religion (along with Indian, Iranian, and East Asian religions).[2] The major Abrahamic religions in chronological order of founding are Judaism in the 7th century BCE,[3] Christianity in the 1st century CE, and Islam in the 7th century CE.
Source: Wikipedia​

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[Falvlun]

There will come a day when the whole country will eventually be redefined to appease squeaky wheels.

This is pretty funny because that’s exactly how I see the Christian Right— squeaky wheels, needing ever more grease, like getting “In God We Trust” displayed in schools.

 

[Stevicus]

I just alter the motto.
All it takes is a pen.
"In God we don't trust"
"In Dog we trust"
"No God we trust"

How about "In Cod we trust"?

Or maybe "In Rod we trust"? Rod Serling seemed pretty trustworthy to me.

Here's another possibility: "In Zod we trust"

 

[sun rise]

And do you suppose any of those "deists" would ever, could ever, have intoned "in Providence we trust?"

Not as such. The Declaration of Independence says "endowed by the creator", for example. The current crew mostly does not understand how that's different.

 

[Wirey]

If it’s the national motto how is it different from showing the flag? Or a really fat dumb kid?

 

[Curious George]

If it’s the national motto how is it different from showing the flag? Or a really fat dumb kid?

Mechanically it is not. However if it is done with the intent to establish religion, then it is. Intent matters here.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I quit school in 10th grade. I continued my education on what I chose, rather than what others told me I had to know. Got a GED many years later, completed some college courses, and have owned two companies in my life time.

School teaches basics. After 8-9 grade, kids are being politically influenced. That's as bad as influencing them with religion, IMO.

Schools are supposed to prepare you for the world. Not create the world for you.

I notice you didn't actually answer the question i posed... in a roundabout, I suppose. But I agree... school should not attempt to influence opinion, and should be about "the facts" as they can be understood by ALL of us. Religion has no place in public school. Period.

 

[Revoltingest]

Mechanically it is not. However if it is done with the intent to establish religion, then it is. Intent matters here.

Since TN has the 10 Commandments posted in schools, & allows teaching creationism
as biology, the religious intent behind a religious slogan looks pretty obvious.
Ref....
Tennessee ‘monkey bill’ becomes law

 

[Woberts]

This is way out of line. Whether people happen to agree with you is not the measure of brightness. Talk about ad homenim!

As far as the ACLU goes, they haven’t gotten rid of “In God We Trust” being the National motto after over sixty years. So, don’t hold your breathe.

Just get the FRFF in there. They usually take care of things like this.

 

[Woberts]

America is not a theocracy.

Members of the 111th United States Congress - Wikipedia

Time to play XBox One with my grandson.

What are you, some kinda console peasant? #pcmasterrace

 

[Phantasman]

All of us have our views colored by our beliefs.
Being an atheist & a libertarian leads to supporting the Constitution.
And as one who instantly recognizes your avatar, I know that we've much in common.

And it appears that we're becoming less theocratic.

Oddly, this mention of "God" didn't make it into the Constitution.

I don't worry about such an unlikely amendment.

The country is run by so many competing forces.
Tennessee might discover that their power is limited.

That's certainly a better use of your time than trying to get me to see the light.
No violent games, now.

I think the country is too divided over whether they want a Democracy or a Republic.

Benjamin Franklin told a lady "We have given you a Republic, as you can keep it"

It is through the ideology of a Republic that Democracies are created. We see that happening now.

Democracy vs Republic - Difference and Comparison | Diffen