Terror attack in Nice [confirmed] - Lorry rammed into crowd - at least 30 dead

[MrMrdevincamus]

I thought he was talking about the Islamic terrorists, not Muslims in general.

It thought I'd posted this, but I guess not....
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...terrorists-tortured-disemboweled-victims.html
It's appeared on other sources too, but it's early.
From it....

Thank you Revoltingest, your defense may get you invited on a hike. Your neutrality serves you well, and is a mark of integrity.

 

[Aquitaine]

Good question. In a lot of cases, I use "Islamic extremism" and "Islamic fundamentalism" interchangeably, like when we're talking about how homosexual sex is considered a capital crime, for example. As far as I can see, there are differences between the two, though: if "fundamentalist Islam" means "Islam that strictly goes by the Qur'an and hadiths based on literal interpretations thereof," then it is different from Islamic extremism in that, for instance, its teachings would oppose killing the children of non-Muslims. Clearly, groups like al-Qaeda don't mind doing so, so their beliefs on a lot of issues are more violent than fundamentalist Islamic beliefs.

I guess we aren't too different then: even though I mostly view Extremism as something separate from Fundamentalism/Orthodoxy.
I view Extremism as the radicalisation of an ideology in an attempt to "justify" violence, oppression or terrorism; whilst viewing Fundamentalism/Orthodoxy as an attempt the adhere to (what is believed to be) the "purest" interpretation and form of an ideology.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

Not that I disagree with your overall premise, but what is the point of following a religion if you knowingly and willingly reject it's tenets?

Jesus did the same thing according to some interpretations of when he was crying out about God 'abandoning' him. Not that it makes my transgressions any more right. I do not willing reject the tenets. However I am human have my weaknesses. I am an minister but I don't preach because I feel I am a work in progress. I am too rough around the edges to feel comfortable teaching others fearing I might cause them pain or even lose their salvation. Instead of teaching and preaching I minister by volunteering at the local food bank and homeless shelters. So I am working on those things especially my pride etc. If god wills and I do the work I am sure I will overcome those barriers that hold me back from having a true relationship with God. As scripture tells us the truth will set us free. There is more reasons that I may or may not become a traditional christian.Some reasons are because I do not agree with the main stream interpretation of some key scripture. Also I am still forming opinions and making inferences of contested passages. I also want to earn my PhD, so I have many semester ours to do including subjects such as near east anthropology and related . But that's material for another thread....

I mean I disagree with a ton of stuff Christianity tells us. That's why I don't call myself a Christian anymore. It just seems odd to say "yeah yeah yeah, I'm a Christian and I know Jesus preached peace, but efff that I want to drop nuclear bombs and kill millions of people and Jesus can stuff it...but I'm still a Christian."

I understand where you are coming from. However It hit me that the preachers were telling me things I had problems with. When I read the bible it was another story, there is not to much in the bible I have a problem with. Also about ten years ago I was introduced to philosophy and the new christian apologists. At the same time I was going to night college taking mostly theology related courses When they were not available I took science both natural sciences as well as a tiny bit of physics. (My job required travel so instead of bars I went to night school). Lastly have been through some major crap. An NDE bump started my desire to live the Christian life as well as possible.

If you're really a Christian you need to embrace the message of Jesus. Or just do like I do, reject whatever messages you like and ditch the Christian label. Otherwise it seems a bit pointless and a little hypocritical.

I understand you, however you hardly know me or my history. I did exactly that about 15 years ago, by that I mean I stopped going to church, then joined a major outlaw club ie the Hells Henchmen now Hells angles south Chicago IL. No they aren't and we were not not a bunch of thugs or dope pushers as A&E or the history channel would have you believe, lol! , In fact anyone that done a crime wearing their patch , any crime, received a somewhat light bearing then was kicked to the curb. Then that NDE rocked my smug wild Biker non theist world. The rest is history, as they say,

That said I don't blame you or anyone for being suspicious of my claims and or my intentions, but with time I do expect some respect, and love, respect as per Rodney Dangerfield said, lol...

Man this got long.....maybe I should start preaching? Ha ha just kidding not yet my pretties!

 

[MD]

We have to criticize all faiths, all gods and all ideas equally. That's the only way this problem will be solved. It's time to unleash the New Atheists on the world again

Let's just hope the SJWs don't **** it up again as always

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

We have to criticize all faiths, all gods and all ideas equally. That's the only way this problem will be solved. It's time to unleash the New Atheists on the world again. Let's just hope the SJWs don't **** it up again as always

Bring it MD. I live for good constructive debate, its a great method of learning, teaching and discovering truth. Truth comes to the forefront in good discussion as do the charlatans. I have some ideas why a number of members can not tolerate anyone who are religiously orientated, or for that matter some Christians who despise anyone that are not red letter church goers!!! Everyone is different by some degree compared to their fellows, or even different than their wives and friends. I can get along with nearly anyone AS LONG AS THE RESPECT IS MUTUAL,. There is only one type of 'person' that I absolutely can not tolerate. I am speaking of 'people' or groups etc who use violence or use fear and intimidation to get what they want. But even the murderous criminals are not the worse of the worse. Who are those dregs of humanity ? Its those that would kill murder and rape even if there were no material gain. They are the Psychopaths who enjoy the killing and other crimes against humanity. I was thinking of them whey I made my own rather sad rant of kill all Muslims that are terrorists and who are insane as a means to an end. At least I owned it......enough of this. Lastly on this I will say I give even slather respect on those that do return the favor. There is no wrong question. Everyone deserves their 15min expect for those the true psychopaths, and trust me all groups have em.

I was an atheist once, for a long long a very long time. I believed my 'God is dead' professors, and could find no reason to believe in God. Science gave us the big bang which described how the universe could come from nothing.....almost. But the evidence was overwhelming....but time marched on. Science was seeming to make it up as they go, they were! In the late 70's and 80's it was called emerging evidence...time marched on some more and to shorten this up the scales I use to determine what is real and true and what is BS began to lean towards the metaphysical. The evidence for the origin of the universe and its structure both large scale and small scale was way out of kilter. Science began embracing truly silly theory like the MWI, and religion began looking just as good as science as a truth smith...... Then the Craigs the Behes the koons but not loons began out debating the Dawkins and other eminent atheist scholars, so here I am having apostatized myself from the comfortable blameless clutches of atheism and landed right smack dab in the middle of modern apologists and Christianity. Believe it or not I left out a bunch of stuff like the fatal Motorcycle accident and its accompanying paradigm and reality altering, PROFOUND NDE...

Hot damn its good to be alive ....

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't think I will ever understand why people talk of "new" atheism.

 

[oldbadger]

I suppose you in your rush to spread untrue filth about the hated Christians.........................................
So, lastly and again I am asking you and the usual suspects of christian despising members ........

Many of my mates are decent Christians...............
Your prejudiced hatred won't win here.
Take a hike, pal.

Let's face it, you're just filled with presumption, assumption, prejudgement, prejudice and hatred, eh?

 

[Godobeyer]

Did he say Shahada?

Whatever

Not every Muslims is devout , some are more Western than Muslim .


I mean not every crime had religious intention

There is many crimes done because of hate or insanity ....etc

 

[Smart_Guy]

There IS one very good reason, but that reason is very unpopular.

You mean the French massacre I heard of in Algeria in the past?

 

[Aquitaine]

I mean not every crime had religious intention

There is many crimes done because of hate or insanity ....etc

That is true.
Sometimes I just don't understand humanity: what would drive someone to run over people in a lorry? The killer sounded like a very troubled individual: guy should've just offed himself rather than wanting to take innocents with him.

 

[YmirGF]

That said I don't blame you or anyone for being suspicious of my claims and or my intentions, but with time I do expect some respect, and love, respect as per Rodney Dangerfield said, lol...

Man this got long.....maybe I should start preaching? Ha ha just kidding not yet my pretties!

Maybe you are not as crazed as you first sounded. You do seem to have a conscience and that is a very good sign. That you know you aren't quite ready for "prime time" with your ministerial aspirations is also a very adult perspective. Wish you success on your own personal "jihad". (I mean that in the sense of inner struggle, btw... nothing more, lol.)

 

[muhammad_isa]

That is true.
Sometimes I just don't understand humanity: what would drive someone to run over people in a lorry? The killer sounded like a very troubled individual: guy should've just offed himself rather than wanting to take innocents with him.

Somebody who is that insane is no longer in control .. they usually know what they are doing (unless they are drunk or drugged), but not why

Satan is our enemy .. he knows why

 

[Godobeyer]

That is true.
Sometimes I just don't understand humanity: what would drive someone to run over people in a lorry? The killer sounded like a very troubled individual: guy should've just offed himself rather than wanting to take innocents with him.

Insanity is my first suspect.

2- i heard some drugs may had bad effect on brain.


3- he may said why I live in hell (my wife kick me ), this world enjoyin next beach...etc jealousy



I dont know,I wish I know exactly why that idiot did that!

 

[Aquitaine]

Somebody who is that insane is no longer in control .. they usually know what they are doing (unless they are drunk or drugged), but not why

Satan is our enemy .. he knows why

That's quite a. . . literal belief.

Anyways, what I want to know is how did he get his hands on roughly £80,000 to send to his family?

 

[Godobeyer]

You mean the French massacre I heard of in Algeria in the past?

We Algerians , he is not Algerian ,he is Tunisian .
I don't think so.

Then we get over that issue, there is more than 3 millions Algerians live in France equal to French ,with full respect and justice.

 

[Godobeyer]

That's quite a. . . literal belief.

Anyways, what I want to know is how did he get his hands on roughly £80,000 to send to his family?

Is this credible news , or just media claims ?

If this true so ,I think ISIS paid him to do that crime, then he would said I lost control on the truck

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That is true.
Sometimes I just don't understand humanity: what would drive someone to run over people in a lorry? The killer sounded like a very troubled individual: guy should've just offed himself rather than wanting to take innocents with him.

He was psychologically unstable. A psychiatrist who treated him about a decade ago said that he had the beginnings of psychosis. So he was a violent unstable person to begin with and then his wife left him, which would be a trigger. Basically, he was severely mentally ill and wanted to go out in style, you could say. I honestly think that ISIS is just trying to take responsibility for it. He just seems to have been a suicidal person who modeled his attack after a Jihadi attack, because he watched a lot of videos of Islamic terrorism and executions. But the French government will seize on it to make it solely about radical Islam and ignore the mental health angle, like governments always do.

 

[Aquitaine]

Is this credible news , or just media claims ?

It appears to be legitimate:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...o-family-in-tunisia-days-before-a7141221.html

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nice-attac...lel-sent-84000-his-family-days-before-1570996

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...lice-vans-blocking-promenade-withdrawn-hour1/

It has also been reported that he researched previous attacks, for example the terrorist attack in Orlando recently. It would appear to be a dangerous mix of a troubled criminal mixed with terrorist fantasies.

 

[Aquitaine]

He just seems to have been a suicidal person

Aye, which is why I wish he just offed himself and spared innocent lives.

But the French government will seize on it to make it solely about radical Islam and ignore the mental health angle, like governments always do.

They could focus on both, I wouldn't see a problem with that personally.

All in all this guy sounds like a violent unstable and easily mislead individual. I just don't understand why people decide to "go out in style" and kill a bunch of innocent people in the process. But then again, as mentioned earlier it sounds like he was a bit of jihad fantasizer.

 

[Flankerl]

But the French government will seize on it to make it solely about radical Islam and ignore the mental health angle, like governments always do.

That is literally the last thing the Socialists in France want to do. They want more diversity, not less.