Terror attacks in Paris.

[Crypto2015]

Islam has over a billion adherents. Anyone who mistakes what some are doing in its name with the rule are either unpardonably ignorant or essentially dishonest.

If believing in that makes you feel better, go ahead and believe it.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

 

[Flankerl]

Ah yes Indonesia, that's like one of the worst examples but hey no one really cares about those small brown people on various Islands and especially West Papua(hint: Genocide).

What a wonderful country.

 

[Crypto2015]

If Islam(not ISIS or AL Qaeda) is calling for war against all non Muslims, how come Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists are living in peace in Indonesia and India, its amazing the outright lies and religious propaganda you see supported on the internet.

Hindus, Buddhist and Muslims living in peace with each other? LOL.

 

[IndigoStorm]

Over a billion adherents and we are constantly reminded that it is only a tiny proportion of this billion who belong to ISIS/ISIL. Yet this so called vast majority of peace loving Muslims sit on their hands and do nothing to stop the small minority of radicals.

I wonder why.

 

[Town Heretic]

If believing in that makes you feel better, go ahead and believe it.

Empirical observation makes me believe it along with an understanding of how Islam functions and has, historically. Now you can cherry pick the Quran without context if it makes you feel better and someone could do the same with the Old Testament to scare the crap out of someone who didn't understand Christianity, I suppose, but they'd be just as reactionary and wrong as you are.

To give a well presented distinction by Juan Cole: http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

"1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.

2. If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.”

And from Time, earlier today:
Muslims Around the World Speak Out Against Terrorist Attacks in Paris
http://time.com/4112830/muslims-paris-terror-attacks-islam-condemn/

If over a billion people were dedicated to violence the world would be a funeral pyre.

 

[Town Heretic]

Over a billion adherents and we are constantly reminded that it is only a tiny proportion of this billion who belong to ISIS/ISIL. Yet this so called vast majority of peace loving Muslims sit on their hands and do nothing to stop the small minority of radicals.

I wonder why.

Do nothing in what sense? Some are fleeing with the families they mean to save. Some are fighting. Most are condemning. What are we doing? What are you doing? What could you do if your country wasn't doing anything? It's just too easy to suggest that every Muslim is obligated to somehow, in some unexplained way, "do something".

 

[Adramelek]

In the Name of Set, the Lord of Darkness, a death curse by fire be upon all members of the Islamic state and all the priests and armies who seek to kill Americans and those of my kind. May you for ever be reborn in the Jaws of Sebek!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In the Name of Set, the Lord of Darkness, a death curse by fire be upon all members of the Islamic state and all the priests and armies who seek to kill Americans and those of my kind. May you for ever be reborn in the Jaws of Sebek!

Satan, avenge our blood!

 

[Crypto2015]

Empirical observation makes me believe it along with an understanding of how Islam functions and has, historically. Now you can cherry pick the Quran without context if it makes you feel better and someone could do the same with the Old Testament to scare the crap out of someone who didn't understand Christianity, I suppose, but they'd be just as reactionary and wrong as you are.

To give a well presented distinction by Juan Cole: http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

"1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.

2. If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.”

And from Time, earlier today:
Muslims Around the World Speak Out Against Terrorist Attacks in Paris
http://time.com/4112830/muslims-paris-terror-attacks-islam-condemn/

If over a billion people were dedicated to violence the world would be a funeral pyre.

The context just makes it look even worse. By the way, murder is a crime according to Islam, but killing unbelievers during jihad is not murder. Just read your own quote: "and do not kill a soul that God had made sacrosanct, save lawfully". Also, civilians are not innocent according to Sharia law because they pay taxes that are used to fund the French army. Hence, according to Islamic law, all French citizens are guilty of "spreading mischief". Read what's the penalty for "spreading mischief" according to the Qur'an. Also, Islam does not try to obtain forced conversions to Islam. However, the special taxes that are collected exclusively from the non-Muslims in addition to the constant harassment to which non-Muslims are subjected, result in conversions to Islam. Why do you think that former Christian countries such as Egypt and Turkey are now predominantly Muslim?

 

[Adramelek]

Satan, avenge our blood!

You know my friend they are coming to America. ISIS is here, they will attack, American blood will be massacred on US soil, just a matter of time, if not this year - next year for sure. And the so called "leaders" in Washington DC will say, "oh no, where did we go wrong, what did we not see?"

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You know my friend they are coming to America. ISIS is here, they will attack, American blood will be massacred on US soil, just a matter of time, if not this year - next year for sure. And the so called "leaders" in Washington DC will say, "oh no, where did we go wrong, what did we not see?"

Oh, I know it is coming here (again). This is just the beginning of a very long war. One side doesn't even really see that we are at war! (The French president does, to his credit.)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yeah, and why are they enslaving and committing genocide against the Yazidis? Why are they selling little girls into sex slavery? Why are they destroying libraries and priceless antiquities? Why did they torture, publicly behead and humiliate Khaled al-Asaad, the venerable elderly archaeologist who presided over the ancient city of Palmyra? Wtf does the West have to do with all that? Nothing!

Read it and learn, deluded suicidal apologists: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They are totalitarian, genocidal, apocalyptic religious fanatics. If you are not one of them, they hate you and will either kill you or enslave you. They are one of the biggest threats to humanity since the Nazis. That is not something I say lightly.

I will also add that ISIS practices human sacrifice and cannibalism. There's video evidence and interviews from escapees that they're running actual human slaughterhouses in Syria, where people are literally butchered like cattle in slaughterhouses are.

 

[Lyndon]

If the satanists are against Islam, it must be really bad!!

 

[Rapha]

In the Name of Set, the Lord of Darkness, a death curse by fire be upon all members of the Islamic state and all the priests and armies who seek to kill Americans and those of my kind. May you for ever be reborn in the Jaws of Sebek!

It will be cool if your statement becomes reality because every arms dealer, weapons manufacturer, supporter of IS, hawk politician, banksters (Rothchilds) and mad scientists inventing WMD's will now die. Truly awesome.

Oh and lets not forget Bush senior and Bush junior who targeted Iraq with a lie where ISIS got all its weapons from after US left.

The problem is, a demon told Albert Pike that the anti-christ would come about after 3 world wars. The 3rd war is between Islam and Christianity. So the death curse is somehow going to have to rip the daemon to shreds as well.

Chain of command goes all the way back to Annunaki 400,000 years ago. They started this freeking mess.

 

[psychoslice]

well maybe you should look at what your saying, ISIS who took responsibility for the acts said they did this because Frances involvement in the east and also they targeted the football teams because they were christens tell me were did that have anything to do with America? to me this is an attack on western culture not a "I hate America" attack

That maybe so, but you cannot tell me they love America, or any western culture.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If the satanists are against Islam, it must be really bad!!

Of course I'm against Islam as well as pretty much all mainstream religions in general, but we're talking about ISIS and other jihadist fanatics. Stay on topic.

 

[Godobeyer]

If the satanists are against Islam, it must be really bad!!

its suppose that way

 

[esmith]

If Islam(not ISIS or AL Qaeda) is calling for war against all non Muslims, how come Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists are living in peace in Indonesia and India, its amazing the outright lies and religious propaganda you see supported on the internet.

Do you call this living in peace???? Not exactly sure what your idea of peace is.
https://themoderntokyotimes.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/indonesia-and-islamic-terrorism/
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/59319
and in general
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2014.htm

I suppose you are under the same assumption that certain political figures are in that ISIS or Al Qaeda are really not the followers of Islam, they are just a group of wannabes that happen to be terrorizing the local neighborhood; and seem to be doing a damn good job of it.

 

[Lyndon]

The Islamic terrorists in Indonesia are AL Qaeda and ISIS, same as the rest of the world, the rest of the Indonesians live relatively peacefully. I'm not claiming the government of Indonesia is anything great, just saying the Muslim majority is not in the habit of going on killing sprees on Hindus, Buddhists, and Christians. And the few Islamic terrorists are more likely to be attacking government troops, not the common people.

 

[esmith]

The Islamic terrorists in Indonesia are AL Qaeda and ISIS, same as the rest of the world, the rest of the Indonesians live relatively peacefully. I'm not claiming the government of Indonesia is anything great, just saying the Muslim majority is not in the habit of going on killing sprees on Hindus, Buddhists, and Christians. And the few Islamic terrorists are more likely to be attacking government troops, not the common people.

where do you get your idea that those groups are all ISIS or Al Qaeda, did you not read the entire article in https://themoderntokyotimes.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/indonesia-and-islamic-terrorism/
is Laskar Jihad a ISIS or Al Qaeda group. Suggest you read that entire article before you make a statement that they are only attacking the government. Hmmmm are Christians "government"


Getting WAY off the subject of the OP. Time to stop, start another thread if you so desire