Terrorist attack in Toronto

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I seen an opportunity for useful gun control in this event.
Consider the Canuckistanian cop's reaction to Alek Minassian's (AM) attempt to commit "suicide by cop".

This appears to differ with standard practice in Americastan, which is "When in doubt, shoot".
I recommend that our cops be trained more in the direction of preserving life.

Ref...
Toronto suspect begged police to shoot him after van ploughs into pedestrians leaving ten dead

It also differs from past incidents in Toronto. Hopefully the Toronto Police Service learned and applied some lessons after the Sammy Yatim shooting.

James Forcillo's attempted murder conviction justified in Sammy Yatim shooting death, Crown tells appeal court | CBC News

 

[Revoltingest]

It also differs from past incidents in Toronto. Hopefully the Toronto Police Service learned and applied some lessons after the Sammy Yatim shooting.

James Forcillo's attempted murder conviction justified in Sammy Yatim shooting death, Crown tells appeal court | CBC News

People are learning?
Whoodathunkit!

 

[esmith]

I seen an opportunity for useful gun control in this event.
Consider the Canuckistanian cop's reaction to Alek Minassian's (AM) attempt to commit "suicide by cop".

This appears to differ with standard practice in Americastan, which is "When in doubt, shoot".
I recommend that our cops be trained more in the direction of preserving life.

Ref...
Toronto suspect begged police to shoot him after van ploughs into pedestrians leaving ten dead

Ah, but in those incidents that hinges on shoot or don't shoot, when the suspect is killed it saves money

 

[Revoltingest]

Ah, but in those incidents that hinges on shoot or don't shoot, when the suspect is killed it saves money

Civil suits & unrest can make that a false economy.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Having some trouble with the concept of risk exposure, eh?

No trouble at all. I see it for what it is.

 

[David1967]

Dave, the thing I don't get is the reluctance of some of us to grasp that a stick of dynamite thrown into a crowd is going to cause more damage than a rock, and a firearm discharged into a crowd is going to cause more damage than a knife. I mean, I just don't get it. I can understand wishing it were as simple as "guns don't kill people, people kill people", and "if they hadn't used a gun, they would have used something else just as lethal". I can understand wishing those things were true. I cannot understand being able to convince myself those things are true.

If it were up to me, the whole country would treat guns like my hometown did when I was growing up. As things never to be used against another human except in last resort self-defense. My county had one murder by firearm in the whole of its 127 year history until I left for university. Just one murder in all that time. But I can't say that ethic of self-control when it comes to firearms is something you see everywhere in this country. People lose their liberties by first becoming corrupt.

You make some rational points SS, and I appreciate your thoughts on this very serious subject. The problem I often run into discussing this subject is ,it being a very emotional issue, people (many) tend to base their opinion on their emotions. Typically very far to the left or the right. On one side there are those who think all firearms should be illegal, (not good IMO), on the other people who don't think there should be any regulation whatsoever. (Not good either IMO.) Like you, I grew up in a town where pretty much everyone owned firearms, yet people weren't killing each other but rarely. High Schoolers even brought deer rifles to school to refinish the stocks in wood shop class. Never a problem. Alas those days of innocence seem to be gone. Solution? I don't know. But I am willing to exchange ideas.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I've just had a quick scan of Elliot Rodger's writing - his mother was right, he should have stuck with the writing - and I'm kind of worried that his life has so many parallels with mine - except that I never felt anger or resentment towards any of the females that passed me by. And I was a virgin until 25. Just weird that someone could feel so angry towards others and not even self-reflect on why he had so little success. Perhaps I was just a more placid boy and reasonably content with myself for much of my life. I would have loved to have had a girlfriend from the age of five, as apparently he had. Did he not learn a thing about girls from her?

And such twisted logic for his explosive anger. The mind boggles.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Having some trouble with the concept of risk exposure, eh?

To the point one might almost think it was willful.

 

[Stevicus]

I Reddit, I think it's generally pretty good, as such things go. The whole point of the platform is to give everyone a venue. That said, some of the groups who make use of the platform are pretty scary and toxic. Incels and Red Pillers particularly.

Incels DO talk about their celibacy as though it is a disability beyond their control, and literally expect other people should fix the problem for them, that they are owed sex. As a case study in internalised self destructive belief, they're very interesting. Unfortunately actually talking to them is rather like auto eroticism with a cheese grater.

Yes, I would agree that some parts of Reddit might be okay, but one has to wade through a lot of chaff to get to the wheat.

I'm not entirely unsympathetic either. I realize that it's tough to be lonely and to feel unwanted and unloved. It's just like the song "women seem wicked, when you're unwanted." And maybe there are some problems in today's culture and how we approach issues related to socializing, dating, and romance. But they just seem overly obsessed with all of this.

 

[Stevicus]

I've just had a quick scan of Elliot Rodger's writing - his mother was right, he should have stuck with the writing - and I'm kind of worried that his life has so many parallels with mine - except that I never felt anger or resentment towards any of the females that passed me by. And I was a virgin until 25. Just weird that someone could feel so angry towards others and not even self-reflect on why he had so little success. Perhaps I was just a more placid boy and reasonably content with myself for much of my life. I would have loved to have had a girlfriend from the age of five, as apparently he had. Did he not learn a thing about girls from her?

And such twisted logic for his explosive anger. The mind boggles.

Just after I read this, I saw this article in my newsfeed: Analysis | Inside the online world of ‘incels,’ the dark corner of the Internet linked to the Toronto suspect

Incels share a central thesis: that their involuntary celibacy results from the shallowness of women, who they think want to date only traditionally attractive men. Their members have, in a way, leaned in to being “ugly.” Incel posts often refer to men and women who do have sex by the jock-ish names “Chad” and “Stacy,” the subjects of a river of insulting and derogatory memes. “I am Going to Start Shaming Sluts at My University!” read one post on a now-deleted subreddit for incels. As the Southern Poverty Law Center noted, the more extreme posts on incel forums advocate sexual violence against women.

“Frustration with relationships and lack thereof are pretty common human experiences. What makes the incel culture different is that these are primarily heterosexual white men who are directing their anger in a misogynistic way towards women,” said Ross Haenfler, an associate professor of sociology at Grinnell College who studies subcultures and masculinity. “There may be some real pain there, but that pain results from a misplaced anger.”

 

[Mock Turtle]

Just after I read this, I saw this article in my newsfeed: Analysis | Inside the online world of ‘incels,’ the dark corner of the Internet linked to the Toronto suspect

It is simply amazing how some people can come to such conclusions. I mean, have they not looked at the vast spectrum of female, and male, behaviour and personality types? Plenty of females don't get a look in as much as many males apparently don't - and many are just late-starters anyway. That might have been the case with me but for other issues getting in the way. The guy is right at misplaced anger, when they aren't even thinking rationally. I have a few bones to pick with some of the more militant feminists, but other than that I am fully with them.

 

[Stevicus]

It is simply amazing how some people can come to such conclusions. I mean, have they not looked at the vast spectrum of female, and male, behaviour and personality types? Plenty of females don't get a look in as much as many males apparently don't - and many are just late-starters anyway. That might have been the case with me but for other issues getting in the way. The guy is right at misplaced anger, when they aren't even thinking rationally. I have a few bones to pick with some of the more militant feminists, but other than that I am fully with them.

Another factor that has to be looked at is how much time a lot of these guys spend on their computer. There's far less face-to-face interaction - and all of their friends and social contacts are online. Some might spend their whole workday online, too. A lot has already been written on how this affects people's psychology from spending too much time online and not enough interaction with the real world.

They're lonely, so they might go to a dating site, but that's another can of worms. I find a lot of online dating sites can also be somewhat toxic and depressing.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Another factor that has to be looked at is how much time a lot of these guys spend on their computer. There's far less face-to-face interaction - and all of their friends and social contacts are online. Some might spend their whole workday online, too. A lot has already been written on how this affects people's psychology from spending too much time online and not enough interaction with the real world.

They're lonely, so they might go to a dating site, but that's another can of worms. I find a lot of online dating sites can also be somewhat toxic and depressing.

True, and I believe the gaming hardly helps - often being quite aggressive. Computer games were so simple in my era I didn't even bother.

I did a bit on some dating sites but rather late and soon discovered it was a waste of time - given my age.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It is simply amazing how some people can come to such conclusions. I mean, have they not looked at the vast spectrum of female, and male, behaviour and personality types? Plenty of females don't get a look in as much as many males apparently don't - and many are just late-starters anyway. That might have been the case with me but for other issues getting in the way. The guy is right at misplaced anger, when they even thinking rationally. I have a few bones to pick with some of the more militant feminists, but other than that I am fully with them.

But these guys don't want "the plenty of women who don't get a look in" they literally think they deserve Margot Robbie, and not only that they deserve someone like her, but that she should be begging them to be with her.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Ah, but in those incidents that hinges on shoot or don't shoot, when the suspect is killed it saves money

Yes, because saving money should be the primary concern of justice and law enforcement

*eyeroll*

 

[Mock Turtle]

But these guys don't want "the plenty of women who don't get a look in" they literally think they deserve Margot Robbie, and not only that they deserve someone like her, but that she should be begging them to be with her.

You mean they knew my dreams?