Subduction Zone
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Please, are you so weak that you cannot follow the Constitution?
Try again without the personal attacks.
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"Texas State Rep. Files Bill to Let Teachers Post Ten Commandments in Classrooms"
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Try again without the personal attacks.
Subduction Zone
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Fascinating language, Pig Latin that is. Or should I say:
Ascinatingfay anguagelay, Igpay Atinlay atthay isway.
But now that you've posted it on the internet, and I understood it, its an English word.
To me.
Ya gotta love this language!
Tom
Incorrect. In 1802, Thomas Jefferson (while he was President BTW) wrote about “that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State”. Ref.
And posting the tenets of one particular religion, one very specific religion depending on which version of the Ten Commandments is used: Jewish, Catholic or Protestant, is to establish a particular religion.
It is impossible to represent all religions. Would atheism be represented? Satanism? Paganism? Santeria? You know perfectly well that there would even be an argument about posting the ‘idolatrous’ Catholic Ten Commandments.
Nobody said football teams cannot pray. In this article you will see that it still goes on. It is things like the pastor preaching a specific religion to a public high school team with the team required to pray with him that is not allowed.
Please provide a source for this. I am aware of a great many instances of the subject of Islam being involved with school studies, some seriously misrepresented. But I am not aware of this one.
Of course, it is. It is the state saying that this very specific religious representation is part of the education the student is to receive. What other reason would there be for posting the Ten Commandments?
The establishment clause was not about a state religion in Britain. It was about state sponsored or approved oppression of ‘unapproved’ religions, involving loss of employment, confiscation of property, and even death, often by torture. It was not restricted to Britain or even Europe but came over with immigrants. Check it out The First Amendment was intended to present that from continuing by, as Jefferson put it, building a wall between Church and State.
The Constitution has been honored. To too many people, religious freedom means the freedom to make everyone follow my religion.
not planning on doing your work for you. Especially when you mine quotes.
THAT was the purpose of the law! Modern day and biased Supreme Court nominees changed it on purpose
shmogie
Well-Known Member
That is your interpretation. There is OT scriptur
Describing Yahweh's half breed kid?
No.
There isn't.
The First Commandment clearly prohibits Christianity.
The Original Testament is more clear about that than anything about gay marriage.
Trust me, I've read it.
Tom
Yes... when it counters your position, it is called mine quoting.
and so many of them all in the Journals of the Continental Congress and other quoted material with its source (some which will be a repeat of what I previously posted):November 1, 1777:
It is therefore recommended to the legislative or executive Powers of these UNITED STATES to set apart THURSDAY, the eighteenth Day of December next, for SOLEMN THANKSGIVING and PRAISE:...That it may please him...to prosper the Means of Religion, for the promotion and enlargement of that Kingdom, which consisteth “in Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost”
October 20, 1779, the Continental Congress:
Whereas it becomes us humbly to approach the throne of Almighty God, with gratitude and praise for the wonders which his goodness has wrought in conducting our forefathers to this western world; for his protection to them and to their posterity amid difficulties and dangers; for raising us, their children, from deep distress to be numbered among the nations of the earth; ...and above all, that he hath diffused the glorious light of the gospel, whereby, through the merits of our gracious Redeemer, we may become the heirs of his eternal glory: therefore, Resolved, That it be recommended to the several states, to appoint Thursday, the 9th of December next, to be a day of public and solemn thanksgiving to Almighty God for his mercies, and of prayer for the continuance of his favor and protection to these United States; ...that he would grant to his church the plentiful effusions of divine grace, and pour out his holy spirit on all ministers of the gospel; that he would bless and prosper the means of education, and spread the light of Christian knowledge through the remotest corners of the earth; ...that he would in mercy look down upon us, pardon our sins and receive us into his favor, and finally, that he would establish the independence of these United States upon the basis of religion and virtue, and support and protect them in the enjoyment of peace, liberty and safety as long as the sun and moon shall endure, until time shall be no more. Done in Congress, the 20th day of October, one thousand seven hundred and seventy-nine, and in the 4th year of the independence of the United States of America.
Samuel Huntington, President.
Attest, Charles Thomson, Secretary (Journals of..., 1904-1937, 15:1191-1193, emp. added).
March 19, 1782:
The United States in Congress assembled, therefore...think it their indispensable duty to call upon the several states,...beseeching Him...that He would incline the hearts of all men to peace, and fill them with universal charity and benevolence, and that the religion of our Divine Redeemer, with all its benign influences, may cover the earth as the waters cover the seas (Journals of..., 22:137-138, emp. added).
October 11, 1782:
[T]he United States in Congress assembled...recommend to all ranks, to testify their gratitude to God for his goodness, by a cheerful obedience to his laws, and by promoting, each in his station, and by his influence, the practice of true and undefiled religion
Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789 (1904-1937), ed. Worthington C. Ford, et al. (Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office), Library of Congress, Journals of the Continental Congress Home Page: U.S. Congressional Documents.
Chief Justice Rehnquist:
It seems indisputable from these glimpses of Madison’s thinking, as reflected by actions on the floor of the House in 1789, that he saw the Amendment as designed to prohibit the establishment of a national religion, and perhaps to prevent discrimination among sects. He did not see it as requiring neutrality on the part of government between religion and irreligion (Wallace v. Jaffree, 1985).
Wallace v. Jaffree, 472 U.S. 38 (1985).
The Northwest Ordinance, passed by Congress in 1789:
“[r]eligion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged” (1789, 1:52)
Northwest Ordinance (1789), Statutes at Large, Library of Congress, [On-line], URL:A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875.
After the House of Representatives adopted the First Amendment Establishment Clause, Rep. Elias Boudinot proposed:
“recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God” (Annals of Congress, 1789, 1:949). This resolution was passed on September 25, 1789:
Two weeks later George Washington:
Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted; for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us (Washington, 1789).
Washington, George (1789), “The Thanksgiving Proclamation” in The Papers of George Washington, [On-line], URL:http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/thanksgiving/transcript.html.
Yes... but what you understood was not what written.
Oddly, Ken, I constantly wonder about this fetish for the Ten Commandments in Courts, Legislatures, and in the current thread's context, schools. After all, when I read them, I ask myself, "which of these does any American court have the right to try and convict anyone of, and which may be legislated under the constitution?"
1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Nope)
2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image (Nope)
3 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain (Nope)
4 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy (Nope, although legislatures could probably make Sunday, or Friday, or Saturday, and illegal work day, they'd be daft to try)
5 Honour thy father and thy mother (Nope)
6 Thou shalt not kill (Yes)
7 Thou shalt not commit adultery (Yes, but nobody bothers)
8 Thou shalt not steal (Yes)
9 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour (Perjury, okay)
10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, wife nor anything else that is thy neighbour’s (Nope, thought crimes all)
Ya'll'd be better off posting statutes that can get you in trouble, not this silly list.
EXACTLY!
The Ten Commandments don't FORCE religion on anyone! Thank you for helping the cause!
Of course not.
I only speak English with any fluency.
Can you speak ancient dead languages, or do you just decide what you think God meant and confidently attribute your opinions to The Creator?
Tom
Curious George
Veteran Member
Not to mention that enforcing the ten commandments violate free religion, free speech, cruel amd unusual punishment (if we take biblical penalties), right to privacy, and freedom of thought.
It seems to me that a code which invalidates our constitution should not be held in high esteem. I wonder why some Christians hate the United States so much.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Sorry, hit the wrong button, there are a number of verse in the OT that clearly show the plurality of God,some Moses wrote,
Star with these. Gen. 1:16
Gen. 3:22
Gen. 11:7
Isa. 6:8
!sa. 48: 6-7
Ps: 45: 6-7
Ps 2:6-7
After you have digested this, and then most probably attempt to prove the Hebrew has been misinterpreted, and I establish it has not, I will give you more
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
This is a false accusation. I already posted the quotes in this thread. There is a link to it. You ignoring that was you not doing your homework. And you are the one that is guilty of quote mining. Why would you lie in such a manner?not planning on doing your work for you. Especially when you mine quotes.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Since Moses is a fictitious character that is quite some trick.
I look up the words and their definition in those languages. Latin is a dead language but you can still study it.
Your reference for that statement? (trusted -- of course) or are you mining someone else unsupported statement.