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Texas will bill electric vehicle drivers an extra $200 a year
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RestlessSoul
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Subduction Zone
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If you noticed, I suggested basing taxation on both vehicle weight and mileage.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Also I don't know too many people who want to wait 20 plus minutes at a charging station where others with gas or diesel are in and out in a mere 3 to 5 minutes.
It would only be dishonest or erroneous if EVs
weren't greener than IC engines burning fossil fuels.
You've not shown that to be the case by merely
citing problem areas. All technologies have those.
What matters is how they compare.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Yes, though you'd still have to address people charging their cars at home.
Incidentally, heavy trucks do a lot more damage to roads than private cars. In the UK, as I remember, their basic "license fee" is a lot higher. Not sure how it works in the US.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Electricity meters are are thing and they are cheap and easily installed. Make them mandatory for home chargers. A car is difficult to hide and the risk of being indicted with tax fraud is just not worth it to circumvent them.
Evidence?
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Taking myself as an example, most trips are local with the very occasional long interstate trip. So, an EV would be fine for 99+% of my travel. In fact I'd not need a high power charger. Overnight charging in my home would be OK. But, we have an SUV for those long trips and no second car. Of course, the actual mileage we do is very low, and that has to be taken into account. I suppose if I did a lot of short local trips, an EV plus renting something bigger for long trips would work and be equally inexpensive (we save a lot by having only one vehicle, but we're both retired, and that wouldn't work for everyone).
As far as EVs being "green" or not I think we should be discussing climate change only as that's the major threat. So I don't know how factors not related to carbon emissions should be considered. The big question that is often overlooked is that the electricity you use to charge your EV has to be produced somehow and if that's a coal fired power station you're not doing much good. On the other hand, as electricity is produced at a central point, it can be addressed more easily.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Agreed.
Is the extra weight of 1 small car significant in road damage?
I recall that damage is caused solely by weather & heavy trucks.
Consider an analogy with steel.
Lightly loaded (below 50% of ultimate tensile strength) cyclic
loading of steel results in infinite life. Above that threshold,
life becomes finite. Higher levels (not lower) break things.
I was hoping someone would do the math for this, and of course it was you, math wiz!The subject of lost tax revenue from EV users has been discussed in many articles, and based on what I've read, I think it's fair to charge EV users a tax roughly equivalent to what drivers of ICE-powered cars pay toward road and infrastructure maintenance.
One approach, as this article notes, is to impose higher registration fees on EVs but lower annual taxes. Another approach is to incentivize EV ownership via federal tax incentives while taxing them at charging stations.
Without a Gas Tax, How Will EVs Be Charged for Road Use? - Consumer Reports
Consumer Reports looks at where the funding for state and federal roads will come from as more Americans switch to electric vehicles.www.consumerreports.org
I believe the government should ensure that EV ownership is incentivized but that EV drivers still contribute a share of taxes toward maintenance and development of infrastructure like all other drivers do.
Per this link (Texas' Motor Fuels Taxes), Texas has a fuel tax of $0.2 per gallon. This means that in order to match an EV's annual tax of $200, an ICE-powered vehicle has to consume 1,000 gallons of fuel per year. The national annual average of fuel consumption per registered vehicle in the US is just below half of this amount:
Top Numbers Driving America's Gasoline Demand
Do you know the number of miles driven collectively every year by Americans? It’s not in the millions or even the billions. In 2021, Americans drove an estimated 3.2 trillion miles on our roads and highways. As we face record-setting gas prices ahead of the 2022 summer driving season, it is...www.api.org
It's likely that there are many variables I'm not taking into account here, so I'm not sure what the fairest approach would be. In general, though, I have no problem with the principle that EV owners should pay taxes to make up for lost fuel tax. How much the taxes should be is the question.
How much you wanna bet that $200 doesn't even go to road construction?Well the logic is to generate money to maintain the roadways being EV don't play gas taxes.
Though IMO they would probably pay more yearly(depending on how much they drove) in gas taxes if they drove gas cars.
Under new staye law, Texas will bill electric vehicle drivers an extra $200 a year
"The new registration fee is meant to make up for the state’s lost revenue from gasoline taxes that are used to pay for road construction and maintenance.
Plano resident Tony Federico bought his Tesla five years ago in part because he hated spending lots of money on gas. But that financial calculus will change slightly on Sept. 1, when Texas will start charging electric vehicle drivers an additional fee of $200 each year.
“It just seems like it’s arbitrary, with no real logic behind it,” said Federico, 51, who works in information technology. “But I’m going to have to pay it.”
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Under new state law, Texas will bill electric vehicle drivers an extra $200 a year
The new registration fee is meant to make up for the state’s lost revenue from gasoline taxes that are used to pay for road construction and maintenance.www.texastribune.org
He left out bicycles.I was hoping someone would do the math for this, and of course it was you, math wiz!
How much should cyclists pay for the roads they use?
I'd say that if EV makers were really concerned about being greener, they be transparent about all the ways in which building and using their cars is still contributing to climate change. As it stands, they imply that they're helping. There is a name for this, it's called "green washing".
The politicians have been, and continue to be lying to us concerning these matters, and "EVs will save us" is just another lie. Politicians are SUPPOSED to represent our best interests. Instead they are corrupted by corporations. I know this isn't big news, but it's also true of EV makers.
Yeah I really hope this law gets abolished fast
You're not supporting your claims with evidence.
Again....unsupported.
I'm neutral.
I can see ditching the fee....as an EV subsidy.
EVs appear useful for commuters.
IC engines are at their worst for fuel economy
& emissions when cars take short trips. This is
because engines spend much time cold.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
It depends. Locally, I would think that most people would have charged the car at home and don't need another charge. On long trips, a 20 minute break to stretch legs, have a coffee and let the dog pee might be welcome. That still leaves some that are inconvenienced of course.
LMGTFY?