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Thai cave ordeal turning into quite a drama

Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Bit surprised this hasn't caused a thread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-44720685/thailand-cave-rescue-what-are-the-options

Could be referring to the Carlswark Cavern incident in the 1960s here, where a boy dived into a sump and found an air-bell. He was there 12 hours before being rescued. A later incident saw another boy drown in this cave. I thought the same - about treating the boys as packages to be brought out rather than relying on their abilities to learn to dive. Probably the safest option if it is possible, and might only be necessary for short sections, but a lot of the cave is sumped apparently - see next article for some details of the cave.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...re-the-boys-found-and-how-can-they-be-rescued

Quite worrying still.
 
David1967

David1967

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Premium Member
I've been watching the progress of this story. No easy answer at this point. I am a scuba diver. Certified rescue diver. Would not want to attempt this myself.Those overhead environments such as cave diving is extremely dangerous even for experienced divers. From what I have heard, some of those boys cant even swim. Add the strong currents that apparently are giving the experienced divers there problems? Not a pretty picture to say the least. On the other hand with the risk of the water rising further in the cave, do they have the option of waiting it out till the water level drops enough for them to crawl out. Tough decisions to be made. Hope they all get out safely.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
When a sign says to not enter a cave during the rainy season,
tis best to never enter that cave during any season.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Mock Turtle said:
Bit surprised this hasn't caused a thread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-44720685/thailand-cave-rescue-what-are-the-options

Could be referring to the Carlswark Cavern incident in the 1960s here, where a boy dived into a sump and found an air-bell. He was there 12 hours before being rescued. A later incident saw another boy drown in this cave. I thought the same - about treating the boys as packages to be brought out rather than relying on their abilities to learn to dive. Probably the safest option if it is possible, and might only be necessary for short sections, but a lot of the cave is sumped apparently - see next article for some details of the cave.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...re-the-boys-found-and-how-can-they-be-rescued

Quite worrying still.
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Book contracts already being argued.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Mock Turtle said:
about treating the boys as packages to be brought out rather than relying on their abilities to learn to dive. Probably the safest option if it is possible, and might only be necessary for short sections, but a lot of the cave is sumped apparently - see next article for some details of the cave.
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That's actually one of the most dangerous options in a cave setting. I'm not a scuba expert, but I've heard more than a few say that caves are for more advanced divers. It's dangerous enough that one of the rescuers said due to the team's inexperience with diving and some of them not knowing how to swim not only makes to dive more potentially fatal for them, it also puts the lives of the rescuers at risk. But they're being taught how to use scuba gear and dive anyways because no other way out has been found, and waiting could take many months.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
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I can't blame anyone for thinking that this can be the inspiration for some superb books and movies. It definitely can.

I just hope that does not get in the way of actually rescuing them. And it should not.
 
Jumi

Jumi

Well-Known Member
I've been watching this as well. I hope it goes well, but the situation doesn't really look good to me. It seems like a fight against time. They may need to make tough choices before it gets to a do or die situation, take risks and you know how media attention might make those even more difficult to take?
 
Jumi

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
Kind of a dark way of putting it.

And if it brings some financial benefit to the
people involved?
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Rewarding it kind of encourages people to take risks, ignore warnings and get in trouble. Just my opinion.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Jumi said:
Rewarding it kind of encourages people to take risks, ignore warnings and get in trouble. Just my opinion.
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Yeah, can happen.

I like the idea of people who take stupid chances
having to pay for the rescue.
 
Jumi

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
I like the idea of people who take stupid chances
having to pay for the rescue.
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In most cases I agree, people who do something irresponsible should get some community service at least. Though in this the operation is too big for them to pay and I think they've learned their lesson... just hoping they make it out now.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
I wonder if it would be possible to run a flexible 3' diameter tube under the water through which they could crawl. I understand in one place it would have to briefly collapse to about 15" high for about 2 1/2 feet.

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Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
That's actually one of the most dangerous options in a cave setting. I'm not a scuba expert, but I've heard more than a few say that caves are for more advanced divers. It's dangerous enough that one of the rescuers said due to the team's inexperience with diving and some of them not knowing how to swim not only makes to dive more potentially fatal for them, it also puts the lives of the rescuers at risk. But they're being taught how to use scuba gear and dive anyways because no other way out has been found, and waiting could take many months.
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Perhaps you misunderstood. It was a cave-diving expert who suggested this, and where it has been used successfully before. That is, treating them like a casualty, hence being on a suitable 'stretcher', such that they need no training other than being calm. This might only be required for a few short sections though, with other methods used for the more open areas. I have done a lot of caving and free-dived through several sumps by the way, and have done some scuba-diving too. Only the most experienced cave-divers - from all around the world perhaps - should be involved in this operation.
 
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