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Thai cave ordeal turning into quite a drama

Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

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Jumi said:
I've been watching this as well. I hope it goes well, but the situation doesn't really look good to me. It seems like a fight against time. They may need to make tough choices before it gets to a do or die situation, take risks and you know how media attention might make those even more difficult to take?
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Quite. I just hope whoever is in charge makes the right decisions as it could all go pear-shaped due to many factors.
 
Mock Turtle

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Audie said:
Yeah, can happen.

I like the idea of people who take stupid chances
having to pay for the rescue.
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Most of the people involved in cave rescues, by the nature of the activity, are experts and fellow cavers, and volunteer to rescue their comrades - unlike most other such activities. The group I was with were involved in such rescues, and the first time I was to join them was to retrieve a body from a sump.
 
Mock Turtle

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Skwim said:
I wonder if it would be possible to run a flexible 3' diameter tube under the water through which they could crawl. I understand in one place it would have to briefly collapse to about 15" high for about 2 1/2 feet.

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Interesting, and might be possible for short sections. Don't know the feasibility of doing so though in this cave. Not sure it has ever been tried either.
 
Mock Turtle

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44734385 ... Thailand cave rescue: Diver dies while taking in supplies

Shows how dangerous this situation is, and not the first to die in such circumstances either. So many rescues have occurred in similar circumstances and where many never succeed. Even retrieving a body can be very dangerous. In the Mossdale tragedy in the UK (another flooded cave situation), the six bodies were left in situ because it would have been too difficult and dangerous to retrieve them.
 
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Skwim

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Mock Turtle said:
Interesting, and might be possible for short sections. Don't know the feasibility of doing so though in this cave. Not sure it has ever been tried either.
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My thinking is that it would only have to be as long as the two section where their heads couldn't rise above the water.

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Mock Turtle

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David1967

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Skwim said:
I wonder if it would be possible to run a flexible 3' diameter tube under the water through which they could crawl. I understand in one place it would have to briefly collapse to about 15" high for about 2 1/2 feet.

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I heard on the news that Elon Musk is sending some of his engineers who are experts in tunneling to try and find a solution. I think they have in mind something drilled from above. A similar rescue was successful in a mine in (I think) South America.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

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Subduction Zone said:
I am surprised that there has been no update yet. Four more rescued today.

Five to go!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/asia/thai-cave-rescue-intl/index.html
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Looks like they will succeed in bringing them all out safely. So, huge admiration for all involved, and for the courage of the boys to trust their rescuers. Can't remember an incident that evoked so much emotion in others. No doubt a film will be forthcoming.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/li...ing-out-remaining-boys-and-coach-live-updates

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ast-diving-chiang-rai-operation-a8439706.html

http://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-08/rescue-of-thailand-boys-trapped-in-cave/

The journey out of the underground complex takes between five and six hours, even for the most experienced diver. For two and a half hours of this, the group must be completely submerged underwater - a challenging feat as none of the boys who have been trapped in the cave are able to swim.

If this is true, it puts the task into perspective, but I'm not sure this is true.
 
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Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

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All out now:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44782132

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-cave-divers-say-safely-rescue-four-time.html

Meanwhile, the Thai Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-chau has today been forced to deny false reports that the children had been given anesthetics to stop them panicking during the extraction. According to an interview translated by the Guardian, the Prime Minister slammed such reports, saying they had been given anti-anxiety medication, 'the same medication he takes to help him relax when he shoots guns'.

Not a surprise .. why take unnecessary risks.

Early this morning, officials announced that the first group of four to be evacuated are aged between 14 and 16 and the second group are aged between 12 and 14.

Presumably going against medical advice to get the weakest out first .. survival of the fittest?
 
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