Subduction Zone
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What does that have to do with homosexuality? Jesus never even mentioned it.
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That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing
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Father Heathen
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..or any church (or any mosque, any synagogue, etc.)
Skreeper
Member
Not that. Please check my previous post #272
Cases are concentrated among men who have sex with men [3] HIV cases among men having sex with men multiplied over 10 times since 2010
HIV/AIDS in the Philippines - Wikipedia
It showed that the country failed to reach its target of 80 percent in comprehensive knowledge of the disease by high-risk groups. Only 40 percent of males and transgender who have sex with males, female sex workers and people who inject drugs show extensive knowledge of HIV.
The study also revealed that HIV cases among males and transgenders having intercourse with males have multiplied 10 times over the last five years, breaching the UN five percent threshold in this group.
Read more: https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/74242...ties-p600m-sought-to-stop-virus#ixzz5o8fX9bu1
In 2016, 83 percent of newly reported HIV cases occurred among males who have sex with males or MSM and transgender women who have sex with males or TGW.
Read more at 'National emergency': Philippines urged to address HIV epidemic | Philstar.com
I'm no medical scientist nor a homosexual to be competent in answering these questions.
I have presented articles from your country and my country
Videos of what is happening, studies made.
What I know is "that whole homosexual sin thing" is really a disease spreader in my country.
Your whole argument is against anal sex, not homosexuality. Anal sex is not exclusive to male partners, straight people practice it aswell and spread HIV.
You also seem to forget that there are female homosexuals too, who have the lowest rate of transmitted HIV.
The solution to your problem is that we should encourage people to get tested regarding HIV, we need to encourage the practice of safe sex and the use of condoms.
Or you could just rally for the ban of anal sex which you could never enforce of course.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I accept your tacit admission of logical falacy.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I already pointed that out and got a temper tantrum in response.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
HIV is high among gay men and transgender women.
and low among gay women because it has something to do with
the P and the A combining together and bacteriology follows
There are plenty of bacterial life in human feces
and if a P with human papillomavirus [HPV] comes in contact with this bacterial life
We suddenly have the proverbial primordial soup for HIV
And the transgender women in the Philippines have their P retained
They have undergone some enhancements but not gender reassignment
So these Filipino transgender women still have their monkey eating eagles tucked under their skirt.
That is why the American 19-year-old Private First Class Joseph Scott Pemberton killed the 26-year-old Filipina trans woman Jennifer [Jeffrey] Laude after Pemberton saw Laude's Philippine eagle is larger than the American eagle.
Death of Jennifer Laude - Wikipedia
Compare Philippine Eagle vs Bald Eagle
Now, with regards to "A" sex, it is not popular here in the Philippines but popular in gay circles because these gay men do not the "V"
We have strong laws here that "A" sex committed by the husband to the wife is considered a violation against RA 9262 Anti-Violence Against Women and Their Children Act of 2004
SECTION 3. Definition of Terms.- As used in this Act:
B. "Sexual violence" refers to an act which is sexual in nature, committed against a woman or her child. It includes, but is not limited to:
a) Rape, sexual harassment, acts of lasciviousness, treating a woman or her child as a sex object, making demeaning and sexually suggestive remarks, physically attacking the sexual parts of the victim's body, forcing her/him to watch obscene publications and indecent shows or forcing the woman or her child to do indecent acts and/or make films thereof, forcing the wife and mistress/lover to live in the conjugal home or sleep together in the same room with the abuser;
b) Acts causing or attempting to cause the victim to engage in any sexual activity by force, threat of force, physical or other harm or threat of physical or other harm or coercion;
c) Prostituting the woman or child.
https://pcw.gov.ph/law/republic-act-9262
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Grow up
RESOLUTION
Active Member
God is the one who says stealing, adultery and homosexuality is wrong. It is he whom you must ask to show it is wrong. As for homosexuality, why do you think you singled it out?
Let us look at the reproduction system. Why can two men or two women not procreate? Why is adultery wrong or stealing and why do you accept this.
Surely if you do not believe in God or sin then you accept that for God to be wrong he has to be wrong about all that is written in
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
The truth is that you yourself pick and choose what you accept as right and wrong. What about the poor drunk or the adulterers and idolaters even the thief.
The truth is that you pick and choose what is right and wrong and you can accept what God says about those you agree with. I pointed out that Paul was talking to believers not unbelievers.
these rules are for those who believe in God. Why though as an unbeliever would you agree with anything God has said. Would you rather not the world be over run with sin and wrong doing?
Don't you want a world full of liars, thieves, fornicators , drunkards and abusers of themselves with mankind? The truth is you know the chaos and hurt all these would cause if allowed to run
a mock. Paul said it is wrong for believers to do these things. Unless you can show Paul to be wrong and why you singled one out not to be wrong, then it leaves you alone the one who
would need to explain why God and Paul are wrong when it comes to believers. Truth is you agree with some of the others being wrong. Truth is you singled out homosexuality and left adulterers, effeminate, drunkards revilers and extortioners and the rest alone.
If you are saying it is wrong for believers not to do these things then you should show why God and Paul are wrong.
But you also have to explain why you singled one out and why you think homosexuality and drunkards is not equal as sin for a believer.
Being a believer is a personal option then nothing is explainable about the teachings given for them. But you need to explain why as a none believer you singled out or believe one to be worse than the other as far as sin goes for a believer.
Skreeper
Member
HIV is high among gay men and transgender women.
and low among gay women because it has something to do with
the P and the A combining together and bacteriology follows
There are plenty of bacterial life in human feces
View attachment 29114
and if a P with human papillomavirus [HPV] comes in contact with this bacterial life
View attachment 29115
We suddenly have the proverbial primordial soup for HIV
And the transgender women in the Philippines have their P retained
They have undergone some enhancements but not gender reassignment
So these Filipino transgender women still have their monkey eating eagles tucked under their skirt.
That is why the American 19-year-old Private First Class Joseph Scott Pemberton killed the 26-year-old Filipina trans woman Jennifer [Jeffrey] Laude after Pemberton saw Laude's Philippine eagle is larger than the American eagle.
Death of Jennifer Laude - Wikipedia
Compare Philippine Eagle vs Bald Eagle
Now, with regards to "A" sex, it is not popular here in the Philippines but popular in gay circles because these gay men do not the "V"
We have strong laws here that "A" sex committed by the husband to the wife is considered a violation against RA 9262 Anti-Violence Against Women and Their Children Act of 2004
SECTION 3. Definition of Terms.- As used in this Act:
B. "Sexual violence" refers to an act which is sexual in nature, committed against a woman or her child. It includes, but is not limited to:
a) Rape, sexual harassment, acts of lasciviousness, treating a woman or her child as a sex object, making demeaning and sexually suggestive remarks, physically attacking the sexual parts of the victim's body, forcing her/him to watch obscene publications and indecent shows or forcing the woman or her child to do indecent acts and/or make films thereof, forcing the wife and mistress/lover to live in the conjugal home or sleep together in the same room with the abuser;
b) Acts causing or attempting to cause the victim to engage in any sexual activity by force, threat of force, physical or other harm or threat of physical or other harm or coercion;
c) Prostituting the woman or child.
https://pcw.gov.ph/law/republic-act-9262
If you think HIV magically appears just because of anal sex, then I suggest you get back to school asap and educate yourself.
And none of this post refutes any of my points. You are arguing against anal sex, not homosexuality.
Since you cannot enforce what two consenting adults do in their bed you should really let it go.
Can I ask who fed you yours?
There was no torture or even imprisonment for any crime under Israel's law. The highest penalty under the law was death...that's it.
Yes, what did Jesus say about hell?
Jesus was Jewish and the ancient Jews had no belief in any kind of hell. They had no belief in an afterlife either. When they died, they went to "sheol"....which is the equivalent to "hades" in Greek. (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6; Ecclesiastes 9:10)
Those in hades are brought back to life.
Revelation 20:13-14....
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire."
The lake of fire is the second death....not a second life. You can't throw death and hades into a literal place.
With their death, those sleeping in hades (sheol) have paid the highest penalty for any sin they may have committed in life. They are raised with the prospect of a new beginning, demonstrating that even the unrighteous can turn their lives around with the right education. (Isaiah 2:2-4)
Their hope for any future life was in the promised resurrection. (John 5:28-29)
The "soul" to a Jew was the whole living breathing creature, (either human or animal)....it was not something that lived in the body, but a body with breath (spirit) IS a soul...and the soul is mortal...it dies. (Ezekiel 18:4)
Very bad translation. You need to use a Concordance to see the original meanings of the words used in the Bible.
The concept of hell is not Jewish and it is not Christian.....it is borrowed from pagan religious concepts.
God is not a fiend who enjoys watching the wicked suffer. He has no reason to want to keep them alive.
Everlasting life is promised only to the righteous.....so God would have to keep the wicked alive in order to torture them eternally.
This "hell" is not hades.....it is gehenna....and it was Jerusalem's garbage dump, just outside the city's walls in the Valley of Hinnom, (which was used for human sacrifice.) It was kept burning by the addition of sulfur (brimstone) to keep the flames consuming the refuse day and night. Nothing alive was ever cast into gehenna. It is not a literal place for the wicked to suffer forever in flames, but to be destroyed forever.
Matthew 10:28 KJV....
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
NSAB..."Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in [a]hell.
Footnotes:
- Matthew 10:28 Gr Gehenna"
Yes, eternal destruction is the opposite of eternal life. There is no fiery hell in the Bible...the fire is symbolic of eternal annihilation. Fire destroys until nothing is left but ashes.
Christendom has completely misrepresented God on this topic.
Jeremiah 7:31 relates what God said about apostate Israel sacrificing their children in the fire to a false god in the Valley of Hinnom. (which became known as Gehenna)
"They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, and it did not come into My mind."
If God said that such a thing never even entered in his mind, why would he then do what he commanded Israel not to do?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I see that you do not like the idea of a rational reason for right and wrong. That leads to very immoral behavior at times. This is why secular morality is always superior to religious morality.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
The virus does not magically appear
The virus came from somewhere and someone
People got sick because they were promiscuous
and practice perversion
Who am I to prohibit anal sex?
If people want to insert their Richard in the sewer and makes them happy
I say that is their fetish and they feel good about, then they should go for it
Being sorry is always in the end
For me, I just want to say what I believe
I believe it is a health hazard
And a lot of gay Filipinos are realizing this today
Spartan
Well-Known Member
You can believe what you want but I'll stick with what I presented.
Hell fire is real.
"Revelation 21:8 explains the second death in the most detail: “The cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars – their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
"In summary, the second death is a reference to the lake of fire where those who are separated from God by their sin will dwell for eternity."
What is the second death?
Skreeper
Member
If two people have sex, 1 has to have HIV to transmit it to the other. If both don't have it, it doesn't suddenly appear.
Sex is also not the only way to transmit it, you just need to exchange blood.
If done right, it has no health hazard just like many other things. I've done it and I am quite healthy.
If we only did things that were completely healthy then life would be really boring.
Even if its wrong? Check out the scriptures I gave you.
There is no such thing as hellfire.....Christendom made it up. Gehenna is NOT hades. Neither of these are places for conscious souls to live. Souls only live on earth.
"The second death" is a second kind of death. The first kind is the one we inherited from Adam....the one that catches up with all of us sooner or later. Jesus promises to call the dead from their graves, where they have been "sleeping". (John 5:28-29) When Jesus raised his friend Lazarus from the dead, where did Jesus say he was? (John 11:11-14)
The second death is permanent.....no one comes out of that place. And if "death and hades" are thrown into this lake, then it cannot be a literal place.
Who said? You are quoting people's opinions, but none of it agrees with the rest of the scriptures.
Jews did not have a belief in an immortal soul....There is nothing that leaves the body at death but the air in the deceased's lungs. The spirit of life is extinguished and is returned to the memory of God who will see to it that the dead receive a resurrection. When you invent immortal souls, you also have to invent places for them to go.
When we die, I believe that we return to the earth. Like the animals, no part of us survives to go anywhere. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20)
Spartan
Well-Known Member
I did. They failed to impress.
<facepalm> "Christendom" - The only time I ever see that is from the cult of the Jehovah's Witnesses, who took the Bible and rewrote it according to their revisionist whims.
And Christians didn't make Hell up. It's basically alluded to in Daniel 12:2 - " Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." Where is this place of everlasting contempt Daniel is talking about?
Matthew 25:46, “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” The word for everlasting and eternal are the same word, “aionios.” Just as Heaven is a location, and everlasting, so is hell.
Revelation 14:10-11, “…and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night.” Where are they being tormented if there is no hell?
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Your fixation on anal sex says more about you than homosexuality. Your refusal to discuss the subject in adult terms is telling, too.The virus does not magically appear
The virus came from somewhere and someone
People got sick because they were promiscuous
and practice perversion
Who am I to prohibit anal sex?
If people want to insert their Richard in the sewer and makes them happy
I say that is their fetish and they feel good about, then they should go for it
Being sorry is always in the end
For me, I just want to say what I believe
I believe it is a health hazard
And a lot of gay Filipinos are realizing this today
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Isn't the topic centered on - "that whole homosexual ---sin thing"?
I have former students who are homosexuals so it does not bother me
However I would like to point that it is a health hazard aside from being a detestable thing -- definitely a sin
Skreeper
Member
I hope you were polite enough not to whinge at your gay students how their sex life is a health hazard and detestable.