Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Yes. Which is why we need to trust him.
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That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing
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I find your response to be beyond unbelievable! "Trust Him" means, in case you don't know, "trust what humans wrote that they though He might have been all about, but in a kinda confused way because nobody was sure...and oh, please ignore the errors and contradictions."
What no religious person I have ever met has ever been able to understand is what they mean when they say, "I trust in the Lord," is, "I trust in what I've heard about and interpreted for myself that the Lord wants." In other words, they actually mean they are trusting their own opinion.
By the way I think trusting your own opinion is not a bad thing...but it gets better and better as the quality of the information that informs your opinion improves.
The thing is.....he didn't. This is what I believe.....
There is no heaven or hell scenario in the Bible. That belief originated from other religious systems. It was used to create fear and to make the masses easy to control. God is Love, not fear.
Sin is not just harmful....it is death dealing. Since death was not supposed to happen....what caused it wasn't supposed to happen either. But we are not programmed robots, we were actually created to be God's appointed caretakers here, acting as his representatives, which required intelligent decision making and forethought. Having God's qualities along with the ability to make considered choices would have equipped humankind for the assigned task.
If a rebellious third party had not hijacked the whole thing, the human race would most likely have completed their mandate by now to transform the whole earth into a paradise as God instructed. But "sin" (an archery term meaning to "miss the mark") entered into human DNA and caused them to become defective. It was terminal, leading to death. Sin is inheritable, so it spread to every offspring that originated from the first humans. It also had the effect of leading humans to make wrong decisions for selfish reasons....to act independently of God's laws. Humanity lost cohesion and we see that independence has never resulted in peace or harmony among the human race.....only division and conflict.
All we have is our own reality....but I don't believe that God just abandoned us to our own devices now that sin had us by the throat. He went into action straight away and implemented a plan to rescue the victims of a deadly decision made by their first parents. He also left a guidebook to outline the reason for all that transpired and what he was going to do to get us back what we lost. The thing is, we humans are not the only ones involved in this issue. The first rebel was not human. This situation is more about God's spirit family than the humans who were taken hostage. Both will be affected by the outcome, forever.
If God is not a human invention, then we owe him our existence, and he has the right to set the rules for our existence. Along with the gift of life is instruction on how to use free will so that it doesn't impact negatively on the free will of others.
Free will was never truly "free" because it had to be exercised within the parameters set by the Creator. If we could just do as we are told and trust that God knows what he is doing, we would save ourselves so much heartache. The trouble is that misinformation fuels misunderstanding and sets people against one another.
Being "different" is not the problem...it's other people's reaction to that difference that results in problems. Free will means that we choose our "normal" according to who "we" are as individuals. God has not pre-programmed anyone to a certain lifestyle. Each one of us is the product of a faulty gene pool. Those 'faults' manifest themselves in many ways. None of us are perfect and some are more affected by defective genes than others. It's all about how we respond to those 'faults'.
You are entitled to believe whatever you wish. But what people individually believe is irrelevant. "Believing" is something we all do, so what we choose to "believe" is an expression of free will.
It tells God who we are, and whether we have the qualities that he is looking for in those he chooses to make up the nucleus of his new world, which is outlined in the Bible. By our own decisions, we plot our own future. God doesn't need to judge us....we judge ourselves.
God forces no one to believe anything....but one thing is certain...our decisions determine how the Creator sees us. Believing in him or not makes no difference. We tell him who we are without any intervention to force our decision one way or the other.
Since there is no such place as Christendom's hell, there is no threat of eternal torment. There is just life or death. Most atheists would never want to live in a world ruled by God......is it fair that they will get their wish? You tell me.....
Spartan
Well-Known Member
You guys have all kinds of excuses, don't you?
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Of course you don't, because you don't have 40+ years of theological studies and two theology degrees to fall back on. Do your homework for a change and you won't feel so cocky.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Go to a gay church and you'll probably get a good taste of that.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Produce them for each anti-Christianity argument you've made.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I'm not telling you you have to believe it.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Can't refute a point? Just handwave it with faux condescension!
Yes, I recognize that. I was just telling you how surprised I am that anyone can believe it. Rationality comes easily to me, acceptance of outrageous claims much less so.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
That is right, I have to stay out of it.
But we are discussing "that whole homosexual sin thing"
It is my opinion, based on the opinions of psychologist, united nations WHO, among others:
- That it is a temporary thing
- That it is responsible for the spread of HIV in my country
- The sexual practice of inserting P to the A is not hygienic and unsanitary
What does point 1 mean (it is a temporary thing), that sometime later (Tuesday, 2125, the end of the world there will be no more homosexuality?)
What does point 2 mean ("that it is responsible for the spread of HIV in my country")? Does that mean homosexuality itself spreads HIV, or is it people who practice unsafe sex spread HIV? I ask that for the simple reason that there are also a lot of people who believe themselves to be straight who are also getting it. I merely insist that people identify the problem before they try to solve it.
Can you tell me that you know for sure that:
- All homosexuals practice anal sex (either as top or bottom) and that no heterosexual couples do
- That the vagina, often a haven for yeast and other infections, is more "sanitary" than an anus (as if any part of the human anatomy is really sanitary!).
- Or for example more or less sanitary than the mouth, which seems to be pretty generally used in most sexual encounters, either for kissing one another, or for oral gratification on either partner?
Spartan
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I'll leave that sort of thing up to you.
tigrers2019
Member
Let's remember, that for Objective morality to exist, God must exist.
Everyone wants their view on this subject to be objective. Even when they claim that their view is subjective, they want this view to be on the same level as the objective view.
Now in order to see if God even has a view on this subject we must go to the scriptures and OBJECTIVELY study to find the truth. This is where most people (Christian and non-Christian) stumble.
In the Old Testament, the religious sex acts performed by the pagan priests and priestesses were religious abomination to God. This is why throughout Leviticus chapters 18 and 19 we find the ancient Hebrew word TOWEBAH instead of the other 2 more non-religious words.
An interesting point is the bestiality mentioned in Leviticus 18:23 where it is made clear that it is referring to pagan worship: 'neither shall any woman stand before a beast......to lie down thereto: it is confusion.' The Hebrew word translated into English as 'stand' meant priestly work.
There are so many fantastically interesting Old and New Testament points concerning this subject. In the New Testament for instance we have the mistranslation of the word arsenokoites from 1Cor.6:9 and 1Tim. 1:10 . Remember, if God exists and we claim to be His children, then we must be objective concerning this study. Now the Apostle was understood by his former Jewish audience as this referencing the pagan priests and priestesses mentioned in Leviticus chapters 18 and 19. The non-Jewish Christians of Corinth would have had this explained to them. They knew if Paul was referencing Homosexuals he would have used:
Arrenomanes- mad after or boy crazy
Paiderasste- sexual behavior between males
The commentator Thayer, like any commentator, should be examined objectively. He is spot-on with many Koine Greek words, but he is wrong on this one.
Everyone wants their view on this subject to be objective. Even when they claim that their view is subjective, they want this view to be on the same level as the objective view.
Now in order to see if God even has a view on this subject we must go to the scriptures and OBJECTIVELY study to find the truth. This is where most people (Christian and non-Christian) stumble.
In the Old Testament, the religious sex acts performed by the pagan priests and priestesses were religious abomination to God. This is why throughout Leviticus chapters 18 and 19 we find the ancient Hebrew word TOWEBAH instead of the other 2 more non-religious words.
An interesting point is the bestiality mentioned in Leviticus 18:23 where it is made clear that it is referring to pagan worship: 'neither shall any woman stand before a beast......to lie down thereto: it is confusion.' The Hebrew word translated into English as 'stand' meant priestly work.
There are so many fantastically interesting Old and New Testament points concerning this subject. In the New Testament for instance we have the mistranslation of the word arsenokoites from 1Cor.6:9 and 1Tim. 1:10 . Remember, if God exists and we claim to be His children, then we must be objective concerning this study. Now the Apostle was understood by his former Jewish audience as this referencing the pagan priests and priestesses mentioned in Leviticus chapters 18 and 19. The non-Jewish Christians of Corinth would have had this explained to them. They knew if Paul was referencing Homosexuals he would have used:
Arrenomanes- mad after or boy crazy
Paiderasste- sexual behavior between males
The commentator Thayer, like any commentator, should be examined objectively. He is spot-on with many Koine Greek words, but he is wrong on this one.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Not that. Please check my previous post #272
Cases are concentrated among men who have sex with men [3] HIV cases among men having sex with men multiplied over 10 times since 2010
HIV/AIDS in the Philippines - Wikipedia
It showed that the country failed to reach its target of 80 percent in comprehensive knowledge of the disease by high-risk groups. Only 40 percent of males and transgender who have sex with males, female sex workers and people who inject drugs show extensive knowledge of HIV.
The study also revealed that HIV cases among males and transgenders having intercourse with males have multiplied 10 times over the last five years, breaching the UN five percent threshold in this group.
Read more: https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/74242...ties-p600m-sought-to-stop-virus#ixzz5o8fX9bu1
In 2016, 83 percent of newly reported HIV cases occurred among males who have sex with males or MSM and transgender women who have sex with males or TGW.
Read more at 'National emergency': Philippines urged to address HIV epidemic | Philstar.com
I'm no medical scientist nor a homosexual to be competent in answering these questions.
I have presented articles from your country and my country
Videos of what is happening, studies made.
What I know is "that whole homosexual sin thing" is really a disease spreader in my country.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
Your entire premise is faulty as an ancient man made book of mythology has nothing to do with ANY "god", let alone THE GOD.
You will NEVER spiritually grow enough to fully understand THE REAL GOD by filling your head with such silly man made nonsense.
You will NEVER spiritually grow enough to fully understand THE REAL GOD by filling your head with such silly man made nonsense.
Spartan
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Who fed you that lie?
WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAYS ABOUT HELL!
"fire" Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41
"everlasting fire" Matt 18:8, 25:41
"eternal damnation" Mark 3:29
"hell fire" Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
"damnation" Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47
"damnation of hell" Matt 23:33
"resurrection of damnation" John 5:29
"furnace of fire" Matt 13:42, 50
"the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43, 45
"the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:44, 46, 48
"Where their worm dieth not" Mark 9:44, 46, 48
"wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matt 13:42, 50
"weeping and gnashing of teeth" Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30
"torments" Luke 16:23
"tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24
"place of torment" Luke 16:28
"outer darkness" Matt 8:12, 22:13
"everlasting punishment" Matt 25:46
HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE
The man in Luke 16:24 cries: ". . .I am tormented in this FLAME."
In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . ."
Revelation 20:15 says, " And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE."
HELL IS FOREVER!
The Truth About Hell
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That was not an excuse. It was an analogy for you to learn from.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What "anti-Christianity" arguments ? And that is not the way it works. The time to complain was when the argument was made.
Don't worry, you will get the hang of this eventually.