That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

[BilliardsBall]

Are you white? Why would you fight against racism?
Are you male? Why would you care about the problems women have?
Are you a middle class US citizen? Why would you care what happens to poor people from 3rd world countries?

Is this the values your version of Christianity teaches? Take care of Number 1?
Tom

I'll believe you and the OP are fighters against injustice when:

* You stand for the millions of babies slaughtered under Roe v. Wade

* You loudly protest Christians martyred in the many thousands in the Sudan and elsewhere

* You stop assaulting fundamentalists, a persecuted and discriminated-against minority group on this forum and in America

 

[BilliardsBall]

Because people unwilling to go to bat for others when they see injustice being done to them show their character lacking in certain areas. I don't believe my character is entirely lacking in those areas - therefore I'll fight the spread of what I see as misinformation and ignorance where I can as it helps others. This includes getting in arguments with people over the supposed "sin" of homosexuality.

I was once in a Bible study group (there because my wife wanted to go) and when the talk started about homosexuality being a sin, did I sit by in discomfort and not air my opinion because I was in the minority among a bunch of "true believers?" Hell no. I told it to them like I saw it, refuted every one of their points, and when they started into "Well if you believe what The Bible says...", I cut them off and blatantly told them I don't believe what The Bible says - and asked "where does that put us?" Here in the U.S., even believers have to bow to the secular ideas that construct our laws and culture - which is on my side in this debate. It doesn't matter one lick what "God" has to say on the matter. It simply doesn't.

I'll believe you and the OP are fighters against injustice when:

* You stand for the millions of babies slaughtered under Roe v. Wade

* You loudly protest Christians martyred in the many thousands in the Sudan and elsewhere

* You stop assaulting fundamentalists, a persecuted and discriminated-against minority group on this forum and in America

 

[BilliardsBall]

A class example of why secular moral values are vastly superior to theist ones. I'm not religious, but would fight tooth and nail to allow for freedom of/from religion (up until it hurts others).

I'll believe you and the OP are fighters against injustice when:

* You stand for the millions of babies slaughtered under Roe v. Wade

* You loudly protest Christians martyred in the many thousands in the Sudan and elsewhere

* You stop assaulting fundamentalists, a persecuted and discriminated-against minority group on this forum and in America

 

[BilliardsBall]

Not that it should matter, but I'm heterosexual. And my fight is against the Bible where god's prejudice has fostered a hatred of homosexuals among a lot of Christians---Christians are not necessarily a nice bunch of people. In fact, they can be downright mean and ugly.

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I'll believe you are a fighter against injustice when:

* You stand for the millions of babies slaughtered under Roe v. Wade

* You loudly protest Christians martyred in the many thousands in the Sudan and elsewhere

* You stop assaulting fundamentalists, a persecuted and discriminated-against minority group on this forum and in America

 

[BilliardsBall]

I'm not christian, but I would stand up for your right to believe and practice as you wish, even if I don't agree with it.
I'm not a female, but I still support their rights, equality, etc.

Those who genuinely love liberty understand this.

I'll believe you and the OP are fighters against injustice when:

* You stand for the millions of babies slaughtered under Roe v. Wade

* You loudly protest Christians martyred in the many thousands in the Sudan and elsewhere

* You stop assaulting fundamentalists, a persecuted and discriminated-against minority group on this forum and in America

 

[Spartan]

Did they find evidence that God is so not omnimax that He had to send scouts to find out what was really going on there?
Tom

It's God's principle that matters will be decided on the basis of two or more witnesses. So nice try.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It has to do with the cause affect between behavior and the creation of social diseases. In modern times, we have all types social mops to prevent and clean up disease. Back when the bible was written, they did not have these things, since they did not have modern science Rather they had to figure out how to deal with the natural cause and affects, between certain forms of behavior, and the creation of disease.

Maybe modern culture could run an experiment for one year to simulate the bible times. We take away all modern prosthetic mops, created by science and medicine, that are used to mop up, after behavior that causes disease.

With all the mops gone, let everyone do their thing and we will monitor disease and attrition rates, to determine which types behavior have the least problems, and which types of behavior have the most problems. This brings us back to bible times and the choices that had to be made to prevent cultures from being wiped out by deadly social diseases. The least problems will be male and female married couples. They will become immune to each other even under less than clean conditions.

In modern times, we can use science to cheat natural cause and affect. This creates a false sense of natural. For example, if you ate rocks this would cause all types of medical problems. On the other hand, say we had medical treatments, in place, for tooth repair and well as all the internal medicine procedures needed to eat rocks. This could become a new fad. It could also sold as natural, since chickens eat rocks.

The medical illusion will convince many this is natural, for a price. To see through the illusion, you need to get rid of the prosthesis, and let nature run its course.

In the bible, lesbian behavior is not given the same treatment as gay behavior, since this does not form as much disease. Natural cause and affect between disease and behavior was the bible standard. The king with many wives, would not sin, if his wives found affection with each other; disease was controlled.

The atheist POV, makes use of the medical and science illusions, which once in place, can compensate for the natural cause and affect. If humans can create good enough mops, is dirtying the floor, as bad as it used to be in the bible? The answer has to do whether natural is important, or whether artificial is good enough.

Lol this post. 'If we were as ignorant as people in the bible you'd see it was bad!'
Neverminding that a. Homosexual contact between women at the same frequency as heterosexual contact is LESS likely to produce disease, but 'naturalists' still condemn lesbians. B. that homosexual contact exists outside of humans, re, in nature, so calling homosexuality a result of living in an unnatural environment falls flat on its face and c. This argument is used inconsistently to target homosexuals but not the myriad of dietary bible laws (by Christian's anyway). We eat shellfish because we now have the technology and knowhow to properly clean them therefore we do not condemn the eating of shellfish. Nor do we condemn other high risk behaviors in a 'but what if science wasn't there for medical aid' such as sports which regularly break bones, cause concussion and would have killed people in bible times.

 

[columbus]

* You stand for the millions of babies slaughtered under Roe v. Wade

In case you hadn't noticed, I strongly oppose elective abortions. You can find my many posts in practically any RF thread with abortion in the title.

* You loudly protest Christians martyred in the many thousands in the Sudan and elsewhere

I am more of a prolifer than most Christians. I firmly oppose anybody choosing death for someone else. Not only Christians and the unborn.

* You stop assaulting fundamentalists, a persecuted and discriminated-against minority group on this forum and in America

"Assault fundamentalists"? Seriously?
I live in a state that used to have Mike Pence for governor. I've been under assault by such fundamentalists for my entire adult life. Fighting back is not assault.
Tom

ETA ~Here is an essay that does a good job of expressing my anti-feticide beliefs.

Yes, There Are Pro-Life Atheists Out There. Here’s Why I’m One of Them
~

 

[columbus]

It's God's principle that matters will be decided on the basis of two or more witnesses. So nice try.

I don't find you a credible spokesman for God. Especially not the limited sort of god you and Genesis describe.
Tom

 

[Dan Mellis]

I'll believe you and the OP are fighters against injustice when:

* You stand for the millions of babies slaughtered under Roe v. Wade

* You loudly protest Christians martyred in the many thousands in the Sudan and elsewhere

* You stop assaulting fundamentalists, a persecuted and discriminated-against minority group on this forum and in America

1. Babies? Thats an attempt at smuggling in a mental picture of a baby thats been born. Foetus is the accurate term. What about the rights of the women who would suffer without roe v wade.

2. I do protest that. Injustice is injustice. Its as disgusting as if it were gays being killed.

3. Poor fundamentalists. Perhaps if they didnt attempt to legislate their beliefs and impose them on others, or discriminate against lgbt groups, or actively promote misogyny and slavery, we'd lay off a bit.

 

[Sky Rivers]

Yes, but you see, that's just your belief. I don't happen to belief in the existence of a "Lord." And nothing in the world -- or out of it -- has ever been presented to me to make even the smallest case for such a thing.

It’s my opinion, belief, knowledge, ect. I’m hoping everyone here can take it as such and not assume I’m condemning them or out to convert them. I couldn’t do either anyways.

 

[MJFlores]

Uh-huh. Maybe you should ask your creator why he put the prostate where the sun don't shine.

Meanwhile, I am just gonna continue doing that vile P to A thing. Don't puke too much, that can't be healthy.

Prostate?
What Does the Prostate Gland Do?

I believe....
A man should find a woman
A woman that would be an inspiration to him
A woman who would take care of him
Because a man-woman relationship is natural and stable.

So which relationships are the least/most stable?

The gaps in the stability of same-sex and different-sex relationships are diminishing. Still, if you thought all relationships would show the same stability today, given the current legal and cultural climate, that is not the case: Overall, same-sex couples reported shorter relationship lengths than different-sex couples (Joyner et al., 2017). And male same-sex couples experienced significantly higher rates of dissolution than female couples or different-sex couples. This is consistent with previous findings: Gay and bisexual men are exposed to minority stressors that can de-stabilize relationships (Meyer, 2003; Lau, 2012). Where these men differ from women in female couples is in their engagement with protective factors: Many men do not emphasize emotional intimacy and minimization of boundaries to the extent that women do (Umberson, Thomeer, Kroeger, Lodge, & Xu, 2015).

https://www.psychologytoday.com/int...sex-or-heterosexual-relationships-more-stable

 

[Subduction Zone]

They have faith about that.
I have read about it but I wondered.
Maybe this disease existed way before that.
You know how homosexual sex is.
The P is inserted to A
A is a very very dirty part
It is where the ____ happens.
And when that happens
Both A and P becomes a living laboratory

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Both became a walking petridish.
Most likely Alexander the Great had it
And the pervert men of Rome got it too.

HIV probably came from other apes because people in the Congo eat them at times. All it took was a slip of the knife while butchering. Or even butchering with an open wound of some sort. Having sex with an ape was almost certainly not how it was introduced to humanity.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I'll believe you and the OP are fighters against injustice when:

* You stand for the millions of babies slaughtered under Roe v. Wade

* You loudly protest Christians martyred in the many thousands in the Sudan and elsewhere

* You stop assaulting fundamentalists, a persecuted and discriminated-against minority group on this forum and in America

Red herrings all the way. You naively suggest that one topic can't be of concern to an individual until other topics have also been covered off on. This is exactly what happens when I bring up animal cruelty in slaughterhouses and someone asks "well what about homeless vets?" or "what about Asian sweat-shop workers and the pain and suffering that goes into those products you may buy?" It is a tactic used by idiots who apparently can't tell the difference between one issue and another. It is a distraction tactic, often used to point the subject at hand away from the person's own guilt in the matter that was actually being discussed. You should stop doing this sort of thing... just some intellectual advice because what you have done is decidedly lacking a display of any sort of intelligence - and I noticed you managed to do it about 5 or 6 times. Bravo.

 

[1213]

In a post in another thread it was mentioned that god considers gay sex a sin. Nothing new. Everyone knows it, but it got me wondering why. What is so wrong about an act, which only brings pleasure and hurts no one, that god considers it a sin? ... ... it does imply that once pee pees touch or hoo-has meet it's all over. .... ...does come to mind---but shouldn't there be an obvious reason for it?
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I think the reason is that it tells person is not very smart, doesn’t understand the proper use of body parts. The act itself is like if person would try to eat through his ears, because they are also hole in their head. Just not very intelligent. Body parts have certain purposes and also cleanliness. And for example, it is not reasonable to eat with unclean hand, because you can get a disease, I think same is with the homosexual act.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'll believe you and the OP are fighters against injustice when:

* You stand for the millions of babies slaughtered under Roe v. Wade

What? No babies were slaughtered due to Roe v. Wade.

* You loudly protest Christians martyred in the many thousands in the Sudan and elsewhere

Were they martyred? Let's not abuse terminology, oh wait too late. But of course we decry all murder. Maybe you should use a dictionary more often.

* You stop assaulting fundamentalists, a persecuted and discriminated-against minority group on this forum and in America

When and where has that happened? Now it appears that you are a bit delusional.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Perhaps you didn't read the evidence for Sodom and Gomorrah being found.

Excerpt: "When the archaeological, geographical and epigraphic evidence is reviewed in detail, it is clear that the infamous cities of Sodom and Gomorrah have now been found. What is more, this evidence demonstrates that the Bible provides an accurate eyewitness account of events that occurred southeast of the Dead Sea over 4,000 years ago."

Associates for Biblical Research - The Discovery of the Sin Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah

oh my! And you wonder why no one takes your claims seriously.

Peer review in archaeology is a real thing. If there was evidence for Sodom and Gomorrah you could find it in the peer reviewed literature.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Their right to peacefully assemble isn’t what I have an issue with. My issue is clothing choice, presence of minors, and a strange need to be proud of something they claim isn’t a choice.

A "strange need to be proud" of who you are? Wow! You think the life a gay person would be so much better if they had the good sense to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, perhaps up to and including suicide? (Which, by the way, happens...very often to gay Christians and Muslims from repressive families.) You have some ugly thoughts, I think.

I don’t see how it’s lying to answer a question with memorized data when that’s what’s required of me. Do I assert the memorized data to be fact? I don’t. However, the test isn’t asking me my personal view on whether humans are animals, it’s necessitating I respond with what I was educated to memorize on the topic..

Then you don't mean "educated" to memorize, you mean "trained." As in a trained seal. To be educated means that you learn something for your betterment. Seals don't seem able to do that, but they can be taught tricks that aren't natural or good for them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, funny how the design argument opponents to homosexuality never seem to mention the fact that there are sexually responsive nerve endings located in the anus, given their myopic fixation on male-male anal sex.

I have heard that even some straight men enjoy pegging. I suppose if one's wife did it that action would be God approved

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

How does God speak to us? Through his written word. We have no other solid communication from God. So please show us where we will find authorisation for sexual activity before scriptural marriage? God's laws to Israel contained very detailed actions that were prohibited under penalty of death in many cases.

What a strange God you believe in. At the time of Jesus, the population of Israel was around 600,000 people. The population of the rest of the world at that time was around 300,000,000. So this God (presumably not "the God of everybody else") only had concern for a measly 0.20% of the entire world?

That's a pretty narrow focus for an everything-deity!!