That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

[oldbadger]

As soon as we see all the same old answers, we who are trying to help stamp out the ignorance and illegitimate fear know that the work isn't done.

So let the same type of thread be posted, time and time again. The day we don't see any of those same old misinformed, bigoted answers, we'll know we're finally done.

So why didn't you take note of my answers and highlight their common sense?

If you're so fed up with the ignorance, try and support the common sense reasoning which answers the bigotry.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

So why didn't you take note of my answers and highlight their common sense?

If you're so fed up with the ignorance, try and support the common sense reasoning which answers the bigotry.

It wasn't that I didn't agree with your assessments - there is very likely truth to them. You just seemed perturbed that "the same old thread" was started in the first place. So I was providing some "common sense" reasons that it behooves us to have the same old conversations over and over again.

If you're so fed up with the threads, try and support the common sense reasoning which answers the redundancy.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The Jewish Exodus story is NOT mythical.

Biblical Archaeology:
Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

IBSS - Biblical Archaeology - Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

By the way, similarities like you quoted doesn't mean anything was plagiarized. If you think it was YOU have to show the evdience (who specifically plagiarized what, when, where, and in what form?).

I will take the word of all of the archaeology, all over the world, including Israel, over what is posted in something called the "Institute for Biblical and Scientific Studies!" The agenda isn't even carefully concealed!

And here's the thing: (taken from Wikipedia): "There is an almost universal consensus among scholars that the Exodus story is best understood as myth; more specifically, it is a "charter" (or foundation) myth, a story told to explain a society's origins and to provide the ideological foundation for its culture and institutions. While some continue to discuss the potential historicity or plausibility of the Exodus story, the overwhelming majority have abandoned it as "a fruitless pursuit" There is no indication that the Israelites ever lived in Ancient Egypt, and the Sinai Peninsula shows no sign of any occupation for the entire 2nd millennium BCE (even Kadesh-Barnea, where the Israelites are said to have spent 38 years, was uninhabited prior to the establishment of the Israelite monarchy).] In contrast to the absence of evidence for the Egyptian captivity and wilderness wanderings, there are ample signs of Israel's evolution within Canaan from native Canaanite roots."

Finally, you might try reading "The Bible Unearthed" by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman (2002)

 

[Skwim]

Because He says so in the Bible.

Yet you're unable to cite chapter and verse. I understand.

Nope I use the PC word to be safe so I don't get dinged for hate speech. Science has no way to quantify sin, so it has nothing to say on the subject, at least not in the religious section.

In other words, you still don't know what the word "homosexual" refers to. Good enough.

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[Skwim]

Now if you want to bring science into the debate to prove your claim. You would have to show us the methods you used to measure or weigh sin, the different types, and a control. The show us that homosexuality is less sinful because it weighs less, or has less matter etc.

Which is not possible at this time.

So other than that all you can do is argue verses or opinion.

I give up.

Have a nice day.

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[Skwim]

1) notice it didn't say the man is detestable.

Yup. But so what?

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[Skwim]

OK. So. I love my dog, right? Only want what's best for him and all that. Now, imagine He finds a big block of chocolate. It screams out to his every sense that he should eat it, all of it, right now. There is no possible way to convince him it is wrong or a bad idea for him to eat it. He simply cannot comprehend the reasons I would want to stop him eating it, yet, if i see him go for it, I would try very hard to stop him from eating it, to the point of physical restraint, even manually remvoving it from him. He will have not the slightest comprehension of why I did what I did, but, fundamentally, he defers to me and follows my lead on the matter.

I suspect God's reasons for forbidding a few things, including homosexual activity,are sort of like that.

Told you you wouldn't like it, but you asked.

I only dislike it because it fails to be analogous. To be so it would require that homosexual sex be detrimental by default, and you haven't cited any such detriment. So as it still stands, god detests homosexual sex for no good reason.

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[Kenny]

Yup. But so what?

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so, dig deeper for deeper meaning unless your only interest is trolling.

 

[columbus]

Because He says so in the Bible.

In God's law no one was entitled to sex unless they were lawfully (scripturally) married.

I don't find your authority to speak for God particularly credible. The fact that you are so wrong about this just decreases your credibility.
Please don't take this personally, there are a zillion other religionists whose demonstrably wrong beliefs demonstrates clearly that they don't know anything important about God.

Illicit sex is what is wrong, no matter the gender.

I would not use the word "illicit". "Irresponsible" is a good deal more objective. Sex that carries risks of results that the participants aren't prepared for is irresponsible. Plenty of heterosexual people do that, including lawfully wedded couples.
If you can't provide a proper childhood for your progeny, then you have no business having sex that is potentially fertile. I don't care what your status is with the church or state. It's still irresponsible to make a baby if you can't take care of him/her.
Tom

 

[Sky Rivers]

Are you serious? "Homosexuality is a curse, its disgusting and unnatural" yet we're the biased ones?

God damn I hate religion and this is why

Why misquote me?

 

[Skwim]

Are you a homosexual? Why are you fighting their battles for them?

Not that it should matter, but I'm heterosexual. And my fight is against the Bible where god's prejudice has fostered a hatred of homosexuals among a lot of Christians---Christians are not necessarily a nice bunch of people. In fact, they can be downright mean and ugly.

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[Sky Rivers]

Hold it, how and why does homosexuality destroy families? If it is because of the hatred of those in the family then how is that the fault of homosexuality?

No, it is not because of family disagreements. What I refer to here is those men who are married to women, yet leave because they give in to homosexual temptation. Far worse if a child is involved. I also reference other reasons, though I’m not prepared to argue them or end up banned because someone can’t handle the data. It’s sufficient for me to state that I’m convinced of my position.

No, homosexuality is an orientation. They are not attracted to members of the opposite sex, it is not a "temptation".

Your opinion, not mine.

Wrong on more than one level. Homosexuality applies to both sexes. It is "natural" for gay men and lesbian women. They were born that way.

Your opinion, not mine. I’m convinced otherwise.

And you may not accept reality, but people are animals. Tell me are you multicellular and lack the ability to make your own food within your body? If you answered "yes" to both questions, and I sincerely hope that you did, you are an animal. You might not believe that you would fall if you stepped off of a cliff, but I would not recommend that. Like it or not you are an animal. Denying reality only makes one look foolish.

Looking foolish to you isn’t concerning to me. I don’t accept that men and women are animals. Do we share similarities? Yes. Are we the same? No.

The purpose of sex has evolved to include much more than that.

Evolved? No, it hasn’t evolved. Man simply embraced perversion, labeled it, and normalized it. It’s nothing new what man does sexually.

Wrong again. The Bible forbids it. But if God is moral and just he cannot forbid it. And when you base your beliefs upon a myth you really weaken them. There are countless Christians that do not believe all of the myths of the Bible.

God is perfect, we aren’t. These things you stare are your views, not mine.

I would suggest that you do the same. And I find resources to be everywhere. Perhaps you mean resources that agree with you are scarce. That should tell you something.

Suppressed information is hard to come by. *wink*

 

[Shadow Link]

God damn I hate religion and this is why

Only if you know what you're really talking about.

 

[columbus]

1. Homosexuality destroys families; many things do.

It's nonsense to complain that homosexuality destroys families.

The main thing that destroys families is heterosexual parents divorcing. Jesus was (ostensibly) rather clear about His opinion about divorce.

But I don't see Christian leaders going to battle against it. I don't see Pence or Trump or Graham or Robertson trying to pass Constitutional amendments forbidding divorce. I don't see Christian politicians promising to appoint judges that will end this family destroying cultural norm.

What I see is Christians encouraging young horny people to get married, in order to have socially sanctioned sex, regardless of how irresponsible it is for them to take on the huge burden of properly rearing a child. And then letting them get an easy divorce when they decide that their co-parent was also young and stupid and horny and incompatible as a life mate.

Tom

 

[columbus]

Not that it should matter, but I'm heterosexual.

Given the tendencies of your threads to involve scantily clad women,

Suggesting that you might be queer makes @BilliardsBall look like an idiot to some of us.
Tom

 

[Shadow Link]

It's nonsense to complain that homosexuality destroys families.

Yeah, she couldn't possibly be talking about the continuation or flow of life there.

'So, here, look over there at that ignorance and not this one.'

 

[Enoch07]

Yet you're unable to cite chapter and verse. I understand.

Matthew 10:33

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

All ya gotta do is accept Jesus, just like I said previously.

 

[Enoch07]

I give up.

Have a nice day.

Suit yourself.

 

[Enoch07]

I don't find your authority to speak for God particularly credible.

I'm not speaking for God. I am just repeating His message from the Bible.

 

[Skwim]

1. Homosexuality destroys families; many things do.

I would say it isn't the homosexuality that's destroying families, but those in a family who have been brainwashed into believing it's an unacceptable sexual orientation, and lash out against it. All homosexuals want to do is be left alone to live out their lives in peace the best they can.

2. Homosexuality is a temptation and acting on it is a choice.

Then heterosexuality must also be a temptation, and acting on it a choice. I'm sorry your lack of understanding of sexual orientation has led you astray. Educate yourself. Please.

3. Homosexuality is unnatural to men as lesbianism is to women.

Unnatural in the uncommon sense, yes. But so is handedness. You know, dominant right hand vs dominant left hand. Now what?

Unnatural, since I don’t accept that human beings are animals.

Well, that's the answer that will earn you an F in science class.

4. The purpose of sex is procreation, to “be fruitful and multiply”, though that command isn’t likely exclusive to sex in my opinion.

So why didn't god disable the sensuality wiring in the brain once the procreating was all over with, or leave it in the OFF position to begin with for those incapable of procreating? After all, he is all-knowing and is certainly aware of who will be needing it or not. OR, could it be that god purposely designed sex to be fun and exciting? I know god is continually creating evil (even says so in your Bible) but maybe, just maybe, he has a generous side to himself. Possible?

5. God forbids homosexuality because it’s a perversion.

Nope, it's considered to be a perversion by some because that's what a lot of up-tight, sex-fearing, mean-spirited preachers have been telling their congregants. And the congregants, unable to think for themselves, fall for it.

It is a curse, connected to the fall of man and the world. It’s unnatural, counter to reproduction, and its fruits are sour, even rotten.

All part of god's great plan (he could stop it if he wanted to) to bring unhappiness to the human species. Thanks god. You're quite a guy. Just don't bend over to pick up the soap when you're in the shower. One of your chosen few might just want to . . . . .oh hell, you know what might happen, you designed it into them.

Please look into this yourself without bias. You may learn much, though resources are scarce.

Thanks, but I'd rather follow Mein Kamph than rely on the Christian religion for my standards and ethics.

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