That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

[Subduction Zone]

Look up shigella among gay and bisexual men on the CDC (Centre for disease control) website.
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There is no such website. Perhaps your title has a spelling error?

 

[Subduction Zone]

My errors lol. Your errors are thinking if no one saw it, it didn't happen.
If a tree falls in the woods and you didn't see it, did it still fall? It's a simple question.

Once again your answer to my question about whether you can reason logically is a "No." since you insist upon making false claims about others. Nice try. Perhaps when you return you will be over this bad mood and will be able to reason once again. Here is a hint, don't make false claims about others and base your arguments upon that. That is a strawman, a logical fallacy.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

The Reason God Detests Homosexual Sex Is BECAUSE: God is people, and people fear what they don't understand. Kind of like babies.

 

[Sky Rivers]

In a post in another thread it was mentioned that god considers gay sex a sin. Nothing new. Everyone knows it, but it got me wondering why. What is so wrong about an act, which only brings pleasure and hurts no one, that god considers it a sin? So much so, in fact, that if one engages in homosexual sex god will bar such an unrepentant or ignorant sinner from Heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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While, as I understand it, it's no sin to have a homosexual attachment to someone, as long as it isn't lustful I guess, it does imply that once pee pees touch or hoo-has meet it's all over. Think of it. Let the sexual organs of two homosexuals get as close as possible while still leaving breathing space between them and you're home free. BUT let the two touch for just a fraction of a second and god will have picked up on it and punched your ticket to hell.

I know the Bible doesn't explain why god detests homosexual sex in particular---although "denial" does come to mind---but shouldn't there be an obvious reason for it? Or does it all come down to invoking the old "God Works In Mysterious Ways" rationalization?


In any case, let's hear it people! The Reason God Detests Homosexual Sex Is BECAUSE:____________________________________________ .
(And "because It's icky" is not an acceptable answer.)

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You say that homosexuality harms no one? You ask why God forbids it?

1. Homosexuality destroys families; many things do.

2. Homosexuality is a temptation and acting on it is a choice.

3. Homosexuality is unnatural to men as lesbianism is to women. Unnatural, since I don’t accept that human beings are animals. Rather, We were made in the image of God, Creator of Heaven and Earth. Therefore, comparing us to animals is invalid.

4. Sex is intended to be a physical unification of two bodies, that of a male and that of a female; husband and wife. The purpose of sex is procreation, to “be fruitful and multiply”, though that command isn’t likely exclusive to sex in my opinion.

5. God forbids homosexuality because it’s a perversion. It is a curse, connected to the fall of man and the world. It’s unnatural, counter to reproduction, and its fruits are sour, even rotten.

Please look into this yourself without bias. You may learn much, though resources are scarce.

 

[Terry Sampson]

It is quite likely that Paul was a homosexual. ... it is certainly possible that he believed homosexuality was sinful, and yet was still a practicing homosexual.

"Quite likely"?? "Certainly possible??" Too bad you weren't around when this thread started, your valuable insight could have prevented so much bloodshed.

 

[BilliardsBall]

In a post in another thread it was mentioned that god considers gay sex a sin. Nothing new. Everyone knows it, but it got me wondering why. What is so wrong about an act, which only brings pleasure and hurts no one, that god considers it a sin? So much so, in fact, that if one engages in homosexual sex god will bar such an unrepentant or ignorant sinner from Heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
​

While, as I understand it, it's no sin to have a homosexual attachment to someone, as long as it isn't lustful I guess, it does imply that once pee pees touch or hoo-has meet it's all over. Think of it. Let the sexual organs of two homosexuals get as close as possible while still leaving breathing space between them and you're home free. BUT let the two touch for just a fraction of a second and god will have picked up on it and punched your ticket to hell.

I know the Bible doesn't explain why god detests homosexual sex in particular---although "denial" does come to mind---but shouldn't there be an obvious reason for it? Or does it all come down to invoking the old "God Works In Mysterious Ways" rationalization?


In any case, let's hear it people! The Reason God Detests Homosexual Sex Is BECAUSE:____________________________________________ .
(And "because It's icky" is not an acceptable answer.)

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Are you a homosexual? Why are you fighting their battles for them?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You say that homosexuality harms no one? You ask why God forbids it?

1. Homosexuality destroys families; many things do.

Hold it, how and why does homosexuality destroy families? If it is because of the hatred of those in the family then how is that the fault of homosexuality?

2. Homosexuality is a temptation and acting on it is a choice.

No, homosexuality is an orientation. They are not attracted to members of the opposite sex, it is not a "temptation".

3. Homosexuality is unnatural to men as lesbianism is to women. Unnatural, since I don’t accept that human beings are animals. Rather, We were made in the image of God, Creator of Heaven and Earth. Therefore, comparing us to animals is invalid.

Wrong on more than one level. Homosexuality applies to both sexes. It is "natural" for gay men and lesbian women. They were born that way. And you may not accept reality, but people are animals. Tell me are you multicellular and lack the ability to make your own food within your body? If you answered "yes" to both questions, and I sincerely hope that you did, you are an animal. You might not believe that you would fall if you stepped off of a cliff, but I would not recommend that. Like it or not you are an animal. Denying reality only makes one look foolish.

4. Sex is intended to be a physical unification of two bodies, that of a male and that of a female; husband and wife. The purpose of sex is procreation, to “be fruitful and multiply”, though that command isn’t likely exclusive to sex in my opinion.

The purpose of sex has evolved to include much more than that.

5. God forbids homosexuality because it’s a perversion. It is a curse, connected to the fall of man and the world. It’s unnatural, counter to reproduction, and its fruits are sour, even rotten.

Wrong again. The Bible forbids it. But if God is moral and just he cannot forbid it. And when you base your beliefs upon a myth you really weaken them. There are countless Christians that do not believe all of the myths of the Bible.

Please look into this yourself without bias. You may learn much, though resources are scarce.

I would suggest that you do the same. And I find resources to be everywhere. Perhaps you mean resources that agree with you are scarce. That should tell you something.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you a homosexual? Why are you fighting their battles for them?

I know it is odd, but many of us hate injustice to anyone. Strange that a supposed Christian could clearly go against some of the clearer teachings of Jesus. Not those of Paul or others, but of the person that your religion is named for.

 

[Dan Mellis]

If you read the entire passage you included, you'll notice it also says... sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. So God does not single out the practice of homosexuality, as you are doing.
I would say that homosexuality along with other sinful practices are detested by God because they are harmful and against His design for human beings.

But... it isn't harmful...

You're trying to smuggle that in there as a fact but it just isn't. And don't bother with the AIDs argument. Just because its higher in one community doesnt mean that its some sort of judgement. It's also a danger in straight couples, along with syphillis and gonorrhea. Also, lesbians dont get aids, therefore the statement that homosexuals are more likely to get aids is just incorrect.

 

[Dan Mellis]

Hold it, how and why does homosexuality destroy families? If it is because of the hatred of those in the family then how is that the fault of homosexuality?



No, homosexuality is an orientation. They are not attracted to members of the opposite sex, it is not a "temptation".



Wrong on more than one level. Homosexuality applies to both sexes. It is "natural" for gay men and lesbian women. They were born that way. And you may not accept reality, but people are animals. Tell me are you multicellular and lack the ability to make your own food within your body? If you answered "yes" to both questions, and I sincerely hope that you did, you are an animal. You might not believe that you would fall if you stepped off of a cliff, but I would not recommend that. Like it or not you are an animal. Denying reality only makes one look foolish.



The purpose of sex has evolved to include much more than that.



Wrong again. The Bible forbids it. But if God is moral and just he cannot forbid it. And when you base your beliefs upon a myth you really weaken them. There are countless Christians that do not believe all of the myths of the Bible.



I would suggest that you do the same. And I find resources to be everywhere. Perhaps you mean resources that agree with you are scarce. That should tell you something.

I'm glad you wrote this. I couldn't keep a level head replying to this sort of twattery

 

[Kenny]

It is quite likely that Paul was a homosexual. For instance, Paul states that he has no desire to have sex with women, and given that homosexuality is considerably more common that asexuality, it is quite likely that Paul was a homosexual, and also actively engaged in homosexual sex. Those who disagree with me will point out to his passages that condemn homosexuality as being "sinful" but given that Paul also referred to himself as the "chief of sinners" it is certainly possible that he believed homosexuality was sinful, and yet was still a practicing homosexual.

I guess if you have a jack hammer, you can fit a square peg in a round hole.

 

[columbus]

Are you a homosexual? Why are you fighting their battles for them?

Are you white? Why would you fight against racism?
Are you male? Why would you care about the problems women have?
Are you a middle class US citizen? Why would you care what happens to poor people from 3rd world countries?

Is this the values your version of Christianity teaches? Take care of Number 1?
Tom

 

[Left Coast]

OK. So. I love my dog, right? Only want what's best for him and all that. Now, imagine He finds a big block of chocolate. It screams out to his every sense that he should eat it, all of it, right now. There is no possible way to convince him it is wrong or a bad idea for him to eat it. He simply cannot comprehend the reasons I would want to stop him eating it, yet, if i see him go for it, I would try very hard to stop him from eating it, to the point of physical restraint, even manually remvoving it from him. He will have not the slightest comprehension of why I did what I did, but, fundamentally, he defers to me and follows my lead on the matter.

The problem with this analogy is that if we, like dogs eating chocolate, are literally cognitively incapable of comprehending the (spiritual? eternal?) consequences of our actions, then the only compassionate thing for God to do is, like a good dog owner, to remove the option from us. Yet he doesn't. He sits back and allows us to unintentionally kill ourselves (spiritually)/doom ourselves to unending torture when he knows we are literally incapable of making a different choice based on our brain capacity and the knowledge we do possess. Not to be rude, but what kind of an ******* would do that? To people he supposedly loves?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Are you a homosexual? Why are you fighting their battles for them?

Because people unwilling to go to bat for others when they see injustice being done to them show their character lacking in certain areas. I don't believe my character is entirely lacking in those areas - therefore I'll fight the spread of what I see as misinformation and ignorance where I can as it helps others. This includes getting in arguments with people over the supposed "sin" of homosexuality.

I was once in a Bible study group (there because my wife wanted to go) and when the talk started about homosexuality being a sin, did I sit by in discomfort and not air my opinion because I was in the minority among a bunch of "true believers?" Hell no. I told it to them like I saw it, refuted every one of their points, and when they started into "Well if you believe what The Bible says...", I cut them off and blatantly told them I don't believe what The Bible says - and asked "where does that put us?" Here in the U.S., even believers have to bow to the secular ideas that construct our laws and culture - which is on my side in this debate. It doesn't matter one lick what "God" has to say on the matter. It simply doesn't.

 

[columbus]

The Reason God Detests Homosexual Sex Is BECAUSE: God is people, and people fear what they don't understand. Kind of like babies.

You have that a little backwards.
People invent Gods in their own image.

Warlords like Moses, Constantine, and Muhammad invent Gods who resemble human kings with superpowers. That's why the God of Abraham is depicted as He is.
Tom

 

[Dan Mellis]

Are you a homosexual? Why are you fighting their battles for them?

A class example of why secular moral values are vastly superior to theist ones. I'm not religious, but would fight tooth and nail to allow for freedom of/from religion (up until it hurts others).

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

You have that a little backwards.
People invent Gods in their own image.

Warlords like Moses, Constantine, and Muhammad invent Gods who resemble human kings with superpowers. That's why the God of Abraham is depicted as He is.
Tom

Agreed - though my analogy was more going for the idea that people's ideas/views of morality somehow suspiciously end up being God's ideas so very often... even between various sects of the same religion who disagree. God can't really back them BOTH if they are at odds on some topics... and yet He does, magically... because those people have constructed God's opinions in such a way that they necessarily reinforce their own.

 

[Dan Mellis]

5. God forbids homosexuality because it’s a perversion. It is a curse, connected to the fall of man and the world. It’s unnatural, counter to reproduction, and its fruits are sour, even rotten...

Please look into this yourself without bias. You may learn much, though resources are scarce.

Are you serious? "Homosexuality is a curse, its disgusting and unnatural" yet we're the biased ones?

God damn I hate religion and this is why

 

[oldbadger]

In any case, let's hear it people! The Reason God Detests Homosexual Sex Is BECAUSE:____________________________________________ .
(And "because It's icky" is not an acceptable answer.)

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You have read all the answers, Skwim.
You just love running the same old type of thread.

The Israelites needed to grow in numbers quickly, so lots of kids were needed.

The Israelites needed to protect from all kinds of sickness transmission, so closed-couples was the rule.

Today we don't need lots of kids, and medicine is a lot more advanced than several thousand years ago.

Sexual freedom is a human right now.
Christians who think it's about morals are just sad.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

You have read all the answers, Skwim.
You just love running the same old type of thread.

As soon as we see all the same old answers, we who are trying to help stamp out the ignorance and illegitimate fear know that the work isn't done.

So let the same type of thread be posted, time and time again. The day we don't see any of those same old misinformed, bigoted answers, we'll know we're finally done.