That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

[Skwim]

Given the tendencies of your threads to involve scantily clad women,

Suggesting that you might be queer makes @BilliardsBall look like an idiot to some of us.
Tom

Do like those scantily clad women. Deed I do.

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[Father Heathen]

Are you a homosexual? Why are you fighting their battles for them?

I'm not christian, but I would stand up for your right to believe and practice as you wish, even if I don't agree with it.
I'm not a female, but I still support their rights, equality, etc.

Those who genuinely love liberty understand this.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm not shifting anything. I'm plainly saying if the stories attributed to Moses are myth, that doesn't mean Moses is myth. Those claiming Moses is myth have the burden of proof.

Disagree entirely. Parse a little more closely: saying "Moses is a myth" is simply denying the statement "Moses is real, or Moses existed in fact." That is the positive claim that cries out for some sort of evidence.

Archaeology cannot confirm his existence. There is nothing in any record in Egypt of any of the events described as being centered around Moses. There is no trace of archaeological evidence in Egypt, in the Sinai, or in Israel for his existence. Most interesting of all, however, is that despite his supposed fame, no source at all in any writings mentions him until he emerges in texts associated with the Babylonian exile. And that's actually a pretty telling point.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

No, it is not because of family disagreements. What I refer to here is those men who are married to women, yet leave because they give in to homosexual temptation. Far worse if a child is involved. I also reference other reasons, though I’m not prepared to argue them or end up banned because someone can’t handle the data. It’s sufficient for me to state that I’m convinced of my position.

What rubbish! Far more men leave their wives for OTHER WOMEN than they do for another guy. And far more women leave their husbands for another man they do for another chick.[/QUOTE]

 

[columbus]

Yeah, she couldn't possibly be talking about the continuation or flow of life there.

The continuation of humans, in a world with 7+ billion of them, is a bigger moral disaster than homosex.

Way bigger.
Way.

I understand that the issues ethically primitive people faced thousands of years ago were different from the ones that people face in 2019.
But that means that what Moses claimed God said doesn't have any meaning now, for me or any other people I share the world with. People who claim that their opinions match God's need to come up with something more definitive than their opinions about the Bible. Because I don't trust the fallible humans who decided what should be Biblical and what shouldn't any more than I trust you.
Which isn't much. Because I know that you're wrong about this game that are important to me.
Tom

 

[Sky Rivers]

It's nonsense to complain that homosexuality destroys families.

The main thing that destroys families is heterosexual parents divorcing. Jesus was (ostensibly) rather clear about His opinion about divorce.

But I don't see Christian leaders going to battle against it. I don't see Pence or Trump or Graham or Robertson trying to pass Constitutional amendments forbidding divorce. I don't see Christian politicians promising to appoint judges that will end this family destroying cultural norm.

What I see is Christians encouraging young horny people to get married, in order to have socially sanctioned sex, regardless of how irresponsible it is for them to take on the huge burden of properly rearing a child. And then letting them get an easy divorce when they decide that their co-parent was also young and stupid and horny and incompatible as a life mate.

Tom

I don’t support a law against divorce. Faith shouldn’t be legislated by the state today. I agree with you though, divorce is harmful to families.

 

[columbus]

I'm not speaking for God. I am just repeating His message from the Bible.

Why would I find your opinion that God speaks in the Bible credible?
The Bible is often wrong.
Tom

 

[Enoch07]

Why would I find your opinion that God speaks in the Bible credible?
The Bible is often wrong.
Tom

That's the beauty of it. You don't have to!

God bless.

 

[Skwim]

Why would I find your opinion that God speaks in the Bible credible?
The Bible is often wrong.
Tom

But so is god. He even admits it.

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[Subduction Zone]

Matthew 10:33

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

All ya gotta do is accept Jesus, just like I said previously.

Did you not notice that Jesus separated himself from God in that verse? If anything that is a verse where Jesus says that he is not God.

 

[Enoch07]

Did you not notice that Jesus separated himself from God in that verse? If anything that is a verse where Jesus says that he is not God.

That the best you can come up with?

I'll make this real simple for ya.

John 10:30

30 I and my Father are one.

 

[Sky Rivers]

I would say it isn't the homosexuality that's destroying families, but those in a family who have been brainwashed into believing it's an unacceptable sexual orientation, and lash out against it. All homosexuals want to do is be left alone to live out their lives in peace the best they can.

“All homosexuals want to do is be left alone to live out their lives in peace the best they can?” True for some, not all. Certainly not true for pride walkers and even less true for social justice warriors who also happen to be LGBT+

Then heterosexuality must also be a temptation, and acting on it a choice. I'm sorry your lack of understanding of sexual orientation has led you astray. Educate yourself. Please.

Sex outside marriage is a temptation. Heterosexuality is nature.

Unnatural in the uncommon sense, yes. But so is handedness. You know, dominant right hand vs dominant left hand. Now what?

Unnatural, period. To the world? Natural.

Well, that's the answer that will earn you an F in science class.

It’s not an answer I’d give in science class. This isn’t science class.

So why didn't god disable the sensuality wiring in the brain once the procreating was all over with, or leave it in the OFF position to begin with for those incapable of procreating? After all, he is all-knowing and is certainly aware of who will be needing it or not. OR, could it be that god purposely designed sex to be fun and exciting? I know god is continually creating evil (even says so in your Bible) but maybe, just maybe, he has a generous side to himself. Possible?

Sex is part of the system we live in and the pleasure of it is also. Abuse of sex for pleasure alone by unmarried people? That’s sin.

Nope, it's considered to be a perversion by some because that's what a lot of up-tight, sex-fearing, mean-spirited preachers have been telling their congregants. And the congregants, unable to think for themselves, fall for it.

It’s considered to be perversion because it’s perversion. That some choose to recognize this? That certainly doesn’t make them “up-tight”, “sex-fearing”, or “mean-spirited”. That’s not to say that some aren’t these things because some are. However, it’s unlikely because they FEAR sex. It’s more likely they FEAR God and don’t yet know how to live in the Spirit.

All part of god's great plan (he could stop it if he wanted to) to bring unhappiness to the human species. Thanks god. You're quite a guy. Jus don't bend over to pick up the soap when you're in the shower. One of your chosen few might just want to . . . . .oh hell, you know what might happen, you designed it into them.

That comment says much of you.

Thanks, but I'd rather follow Mein Kamph than rely on the Christian religion for my standards and ethics.
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...and that comment says even more.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That the best you can come up with?

I'll make this real simple for ya.

John 10:30

30 I and my Father are one.

The best you can do is find a verse where Jesus says that God agrees with him? Oh my.

 

[Sky Rivers]

What rubbish! Far more men leave their wives for OTHER WOMEN than they do for another guy. And far more women leave their husbands for another man they do for another chick.

True. However, it doesn’t negate my point, since it wasn’t about percentages.

 

[Subduction Zone]

True. However, it doesn’t negate my point, since it wasn’t about percentages.

The problem with forcing gay men to act straight since "it is a sin" is that causes them to leave marriages where they cannot love. Wouldn't it be better for them to marry the man that that person loves instead of settling for a woman that he cannot?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I only dislike it because it fails to be analogous. To be so it would require that homosexual sex be detrimental by default, and you haven't cited any such detriment. So as it still stands, god detests homosexual sex for no good reason.

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You missed the point. It may be detrimental in ways we don't understand, like chocolate is detrimental to a dog in ways it can't understand.

 

[Dan Mellis]

Why misquote me?

I was paraphrasing. The only word I added was disgusting - am I wrong to assume that's your position?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The problem with this analogy is that if we, like dogs eating chocolate, are literally cognitively incapable of comprehending the (spiritual? eternal?) consequences of our actions, then the only compassionate thing for God to do is, like a good dog owner, to remove the option from us. Yet he doesn't. He sits back and allows us to unintentionally kill ourselves (spiritually)/doom ourselves to unending torture when he knows we are literally incapable of making a different choice based on our brain capacity and the knowledge we do possess. Not to be rude, but what kind of an ******* would do that? To people he supposedly loves?

That's where the free will argument comes into play. God loves us enough he allows us the freedom to choose. One could argue that a loving God wouldn't allow us harmful choices, but if that were the case, I'm sure people would just as vehemently argue that a loving God would allow the freedom of choice.

 

[Sky Rivers]

The problem with forcing gay men to act straight since "it is a sin" is that causes them to leave marriages where they cannot love. Wouldn't it be better for them to marry the man that that person loves instead of settling for a woman that he cannot?

No, better he be single or seek the Lord to help him fight temptation.

 

[Sky Rivers]

I was paraphrasing. The only word I added was disgusting - am I wrong to assume that's your position?

Your addition of “disgusting” doesn’t reflect my feelings on homosexuality or on homosexual men.