The 2nd Amendment

[Jeremy Mason]

Lets get down to the whole point here. The government works for the people. We are not the governments subjects under their rule. The power is given to the people not the government.

While I agree with your idea, the 14th Amendment has made all American citizens subjects to the United State's government.

14th Amendment

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So let's go the full ten yards.....
Arm every American with top of the line body armour and night vision.

Subduing bad guys and resisting oppressing regimes ain't easy.

Most gun toting Americans aren't interested in battling the federal government. We like the 2nd. Amendment but so no reason to go to war with them. I want to make something clear.....the majority of us progressives aren't interested in taking over the government and/or running it like a dictatorship. This is evident in the way Obama and rest govern...have governed. We tend to like the balance of powers....We just wished there was compromise. This is also evident in our nominating process. We like ethnic and gender diversity....and we even promote others in charge of certain departments even though they're not in our party......

So if there's a fight to be fought I don't think it will be with our party. Again...many aren't going to go out and equip themselves all paramilitary style because they just don't care about all that. Additionally what you're advocating still isn't enough to combat the world's most powerful and largest military. Heck...the ATF and FBI are time enough for most small factions.....anarchy beyond that you're in for even shorter fight...with about a positive outcome of probability going to the federal government.

 

[bicker]

Most gun toting Americans aren't interested in battling the federal government.

Most gun owners wouldn't oppose more gun regulations if they weren't deceived by FUD from the NRA and others into thinking that those regulations would be bad. The vast majority of proposed gun regulations would affect the vast majority of gun owners very slightly and remarkably infrequently. Such regulations would simply put boundaries in place that the vast majority of gun owners already operate within.

 

[BBTimeless]

Most gun owners wouldn't oppose more gun regulations if they weren't deceived by FUD from the NRA and others into thinking that those regulations would be bad. The vast majority of proposed gun regulations would affect the vast majority of gun owners very slightly and remarkably infrequently. Such regulations would simply put boundaries in place that the vast majority of gun owners already operate within.

This does beg the question, how many people out there use 30 clip mags and automatic weapons often enough to be hit by some of the proposed regulations?

 

[McBell]

It is a fallacy to believe that regulation cannot reduce the risks posed by madmen.

and yet with all the regulations on firearms, there are still madmen getting and using them...

So much for your claimed fallacy, eh?

 

[McBell]

Most gun owners wouldn't oppose more gun regulations if they weren't deceived by FUD from the NRA and others into thinking that those regulations would be bad. The vast majority of proposed gun regulations would affect the vast majority of gun owners very slightly and remarkably infrequently. Such regulations would simply put boundaries in place that the vast majority of gun owners already operate within.

To be perfectly honest with you, as far as I know the proposed regulations will not affect my ownership at all.
Unless there is something in there about having to turn in certain fire arms.

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

A free person is regulated as little as possible.

You just endorsed slavery.

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

It is a fallacy to believe you can regulate a madman.

You just advocated for the legalization of murder.

 

[LuisDantas]

Don't trust your neighbor to behave well?
We already know the madman won't behave well.

Did you really fail to understand my point? It is not a hard point to get.

 

[LuisDantas]

and yet with all the regulations on firearms, there are still madmen getting and using them...

So much for your claimed fallacy, eh?

If you can demonstrate that the regulations did not help, you will be right.

 

[McBell]

If you can demonstrate that the regulations did not help, you will be right.

A list of school shooting starting from 1764:

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Interesting, is it not, that more regulations on guns has not even slowed the madmen down...

 

[bicker]

and yet with all the regulations on firearms, there are still madmen getting and using them...

So much for your claimed fallacy, eh?

No. You're simply denying logic to try to defend your indefensible position. Corrupting what others say just so you can post a lame, self-serving and myopic reply, indicates clearly that you realize the failure of your perspective, and you're trying anything you can to distract attention away from that fact.

I'll say it again: It is a fallacy to believe that regulation cannot reduce the risks posed by madmen.

 

[LuisDantas]

A list of school shooting starting from 1764:

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Interesting, is it not, that more regulations on guns has not even slowed the madmen down...

It will be interesting if it can be demonstrated.

But do you think you even attempted to? For one thing, there is no methology to it, no control group, no test hypothesis. Not even an attempt to consider the population growth or the effect of the current clip sizes and weapon types.

 

[bicker]

Precisely. It's like claiming that birth control hasn't had any impact on unwanted pregnancy, because people are still having babies.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

A list of school shooting starting from 1764:

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Interesting, is it not, that more regulations on guns has not even slowed the madmen down...

Actually, it is. Sadly, the deranged may always be a threat to society, but enabling them to become ever more efficient killing machines strikes me as a sadly deranged response.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, it is. Sadly, the deranged may always be a threat to society, but enabling them to become ever more efficient killing machines strikes me as a sadly deranged response.

Semi-clever shallow come-back:
Eagerness to give up constitutional liberties in exchange for a feeling of security is a sadly ovine response.

 

[bicker]

Only "semi-"clever since no one is actually "eager" to give up anything in this discussion, nor has anyone been talking about "a feeling", so the come-back is impotent.

If you have to corrupt what people are saying just to have something easy to argue against, you should use that as a clue informing you that you don't have anything worthwhile to say in response.

 

[Revoltingest]

Only "semi-"clever since no one is actually "eager" to give up anything in this discussion, nor has anyone been talking about "a feeling", so the come-back is impotent.
If you have to corrupt what people are saying just to have something easy to argue against, you should use that as a clue informing you that you don't have anything worthwhile to say in response.

Geeze....I know I've failed when I have to explain the joke.
I was just mocking my buddy, Jay's post. I thought my preface made that clear.
(I refuse to use emoticons. They just feel too obvious.)

 

[bicker]

So you expect everyone out there to know you well enough to know who your friends are, and to perceive your tone without any indications thereof? Okay... I'm sorry that I don't measure up to your standards in that regard. Regardless, you can read my reply as supporting and underscoring the point you were making with what I now understand was your sarcasm. No harm, no foul.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wow! Several days & 40 votes into the thread, & the 2nd Amendment has almost 50% support.
This means that even some of my leftie comrades are on my side....woo hoo!