The 70 virgins in Paradise....

[islamicanswers.webs]

That's one of the problems I'd guess, when people think of "virgin". Immediately, one'll naturally think of sex, when one thinks of virgin. Like a harem for a caliph or ruler.

Badran's quote on the Hadith: He is married to seventy-two of the Hoor al-‘Ain (beautiful women of Paradise)....

If one would read that a person was to marry 72 virgins or Hoor al-‘Ain then isn't this about sex?

not all hadith are accurate. it depends on the source of the hadith. each hadith is ranked in accuracy by the source it came from.

 

[gnostic]

not all hadith are accurate. it depends on the source of the hadith. each hadith is ranked in accuracy by the source it came from.

Was it a teaching of Muhammad?

I don't know, and I can't attest to it, one way or another. But all of these hadiths are supposed to be his teachings.

Regardless of how accurate each hadith is, what do you think of marriage of a person to a virgin?

Do sex not to come to mind? Consummation of relationship between a man and a woman?

But in Paradise, the so-called martyr will get 72 virgins or beautiful women.

To me, it was written by man with a mind on sex. A sexual fantasy if you ask me.

But, there is something that is nagging at me, about the whole 72-virgin thing.

There's a metaphor, which you may know already:

Add a drop of black paint to bucketful of white paint, and then it will always be grey. The white paint is no longer white.

To me, adding impurity to purity will make pure substance impure.

Martyr or not, if the person had sex on earth, then he could never be considered as pure. So if Paradise is a perfect place or abode for people being near god, why would he let a defiled man, who may have already had wife, hence already had sex, to have 72 pure companions? Mixing an impure man with purity would actually lessen the purity of those 72 companions.

 

[Godwilling]

Can someone please explain the whole 70 virgins, and how they relate to the Paradise?

Does it relate to someone who was a martyr or is it a mistake in interpretation?

Can you also provide sources from Qur'an and Hadiths, please? Quotes from the scripture or any other literature would be appreciated. But please provide clear and concise explanations to the quotes you provide.

The Qur'an does not state a number; the Hadiths state a number of "...virgens and boys". The Qur'an states only that the reward would be "...virgens and boys"

 

[angellous_evangellous]

But in Paradise, the so-called martyr will get 72 virgins or beautiful women.

To me, it was written by man with a mind on sex. A sexual fantasy if you ask me.

It would be funny if they arrive in heaven and they are without a penis.

*Price of admission*

 

[gnostic]

It would be funny if they arrive in heaven and they are without a penis.

*Price of admission*

:biglaugh:

 

[D-MITCH777]

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72 virgins in heaven - YouTube

If a Woman is a Martyr will she get 72 Male virgins???

 

[Gaura Priya]

There is nothing in the Qur'an alone that teaches that one will have sexual pleasure with 72 virgins... or even sexual pleasure in Paradise! All it speaks of is having servants with beautiful eyes, fruit and vegetables for one's desire, and reclining chairs, with streams that flow abundantly.

 

[Gaura Priya]

"In them are those with a modest gaze, untouched before by any man or Jinn."

-- 55:56

These houris, or those with bright eyes, were construed in different ways... as symbols in Paradise, as virgin girls (and boys) for sexual enjoyment (despite the fact that there are absolutely no verses in the Qur'an even hinting at this), as servants, and even a transcription error that it actually meant 'white raisins,' another foodstuff found in the image of Paradise.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Assalamualaikum.

So in summary ... it's a myth about Islam (based on only one weak hadith it would seem) that even many Muslims actually believe in and promote (like so many other myths).

 

[Gaura Priya]

Assalamualaikum.

So in summary ... it's a myth about Islam (based on only one weak hadith it would seem) that even many Muslims actually believe in and promote (like so many other myths).

Pretty much.

The Hand of Fatimah is another strange one.

 

[MusaaEl-Haadi]

The Holy Qur'aan Revealed In The Year 624 A.D. Rahmaan ( The Yielder ) 55 ; 70 - 78 , States ; And I Quote ; In Both Of Them Are Khayraat And Beautiful Things ~ The Pubescent Maidents Will Have White Eyes With Black Pupils ~ They Have ( Never ) Been Touched By Enosites = Mortal Being Or The Jinn Before ~ Blessed Is The Name Of Your Rabb .

 

[iamsharky789]

Hi Onkara, its from a Hadith.

Which haddith?

 

[Draupadi]

According to classical Arabic usage in the time when the Qur'an was recited by Muhammad Hur'in is made of two words Hur as well as In. The word 'Hur' is the plural of both Ahwar (Masculine) and Hawra (Feminine) which literally translates as "white-eyed", or persons distinguished by Hawar, signifying "intense whiteness of the eyeballs and lustrous black of the pupils." (ref: Qamus ), hence 'the purity' (ref: Tafsir al'Tabari, and Tafsir al-Razi in 3:52). And as for the phrase, "In it is the plural of both 'Ayan' (Masculine) and 'Ainao' (Feminine)", it was also used to refer to the beautiful eyes of the wild-cow whose eyes are blond. In general, this word implies 'most beautiful eye' irrespective of the person's gender. Thus, it seems that the most appropriate English rendering of the compound word Hur'In might be: "Companions pure, most beautiful of eye." and it is applicable to both male and female.

Unfortunately the Quran is clear that these houris will have large bosoms and unpopped cherries, something men don't have. I agree with you that houris can be male or female but in the Islamic paradise only the female versions will be available, according to the faith's scriptures. What if a woman wants her own houri(s) or don't want co-wives? Well I don't have the answer to that and I reject the answers to that question that people have. I find them very biased towards the male ego. What if God DOES indeed fulfill such wishes of the women? That is not impossible.

 

[BSM1]

The best info available is that the Muslims made-up the bunk about the 70 virgins just to tease and taunt the Byzantines who claimed Christians would go to their Heaven for killing Muslims.

In times of war the two sides make all kinds of motivational claims.

Even today the radical Muslims tease and taunt the Christians about those same 70 virgins and surely it is one of the most long lasting of jokes ever perpetrated.

The Hadith was written after 100 years of Muslim and Christian war which would continue forever after, see link = Wiki - 7th century Byzantine / Arab wars, then the Hadith 8th - 9th Century.

It might be hard for Americans to understand but 70 virgins is an ideal that plays on human sexual lust which is NOT a virtue for the religion of Islam.

:thud:

If they throw in an order of fries then I'm in:yes:.

 

[Draupadi]

Not really. The Hadith specifically states them as females. Even the Quran says that they are voluptuous. A man can't be voluptuous. They will be the men's wives, for all kinds of pleasure (not only sexual). The number one receives is dependent on one's deeds.

 

[YmirGF]

Not really. The Hadith specifically states them as females. Even the Quran says that they are voluptuous. A man can't be voluptuous. They will be the men's wives, for all kinds of pleasure (not only sexual). The number one receives is dependent on one's deeds.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the hilarious idea that having servants is okie dokie with Allah. Why would anyone WANT servants in the first place? Sorry, I just don't get it. Islam makes paradise sound like some trivial uber-elite country club.

 

[gnostic]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the hilarious idea that having servants is okie dokie with Allah. Why would anyone WANT servants in the first place? Sorry, I just don't get it. Islam makes paradise sound like some trivial uber-elite country club.

That's putting it lightly.

It sounds more like a brothel in which male Muslims can freely defile 72 virgins. Once defiled, they are no longer pure, no longer houris. It also make their sounds like a pimp.

 

[Draupadi]

That's putting it lightly.

It sounds more like a brothel in which male Muslims can freely defile 72 virgins. Once defiled, they are no longer pure, no longer houris. It also make their sounds like a pimp.

Well the houris will remain ever virgin. Once after making love they will become virgins again. But they have other endearing qualities. Extreme beauty, exceptional loyalty to husbands, good nature, etc.

Yes women are getting the short end of the stick. But I am hoping that my future husband doesn't take any *fingers crossed*.

 

[Draupadi]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the hilarious idea that having servants is okie dokie with Allah. Why would anyone WANT servants in the first place? Sorry, I just don't get it. Islam makes paradise sound like some trivial uber-elite country club.

That's also my thought. Things in paradise can be automatic. Why need subservient beings like ghilmans (the boy servants of heaven)?

 

[MD]

The concept of houris came from Zoroastrianism.

In Zoroastrianism there were two examples of feminine spirits, paris and daenas. Paris were spirits who weren't allowed into paradise until they repented. They were very beautiful but morally ambiguous. Daenas were angels who were supposed to be symbolic for the internal conscience of the deceased. They guided the soul in the afterlife to paradise.

The combination of these two spiritual concepts gave rise to the houri.