The Absolute Truth

[shunyadragon]

We have Paul's letters, original and written by him.

Some maybe, and we do not have unedited originals, but not during the Life of Christ. Paul was NOT a witness to the life of Jesus Christ

 

[shunyadragon]

Your comment about coaching is more of your nonsense. However, if you think I am coached, then you must know who is coaching me. If you are being honest instead of deceitful, then you should be able to post who is coaching me and the source of your information. If you don't, if you duck and dodge again, we will chalk it up to just another example of Bahai dishonesty.

Your arrogant hostile diatribe against the Baha'i Faith clouds everything you post.

ETA: Are you going to duck and dodge like you did with your false "rabid theist" and "clowns" assertions?

That is your view, own up to it. This response and ALL other responses reflects that perspective.

 

[shunyadragon]

Muslims would disagree with you about their Koran.

That is obvious as the sky is Carolina Blue on a clear day at noon on the 4th of July. So what. If we agreed I would be a Muslim. I disagree with the claims of @paarsurrey made concerning the Quran, and his claims of proof including in reference to science. The subject of the thread. Are you now arguing for what @paarsurrey is asserting?

I agree that you can probably point to many things that Baha'u'llah wrote. The problem is that most of his writing is unintelligible meaningless rants. Anything that Abdu'l baha and Shoghi Effendi wrote about Baha'u'llah is unsupported hearsay.

Again, again and again . . .

You demonstrate your "aggressive vindictive biased agenda against the Baha'i Faith" which you dishonestly deny with the above vindictive rhetoric

 

[paarsurrey]

That is obvious as the sky is Carolina Blue on a clear day at noon on the 4th of July. So what. If we agreed I would be a Muslim. I disagree with the claims of @paarsurrey made concerning the Quran, and his claims of proof including in reference to science. The subject of the thread. Are you now arguing for what @paarsurrey is asserting?



Again, again and again . . .

You demonstrate your "aggressive vindictive biased agenda against the Baha'i Faith" which you dishonestly deny with the above vindictive rhetoric

What claims about science one is referring to? Kindly provide references of my post/s in this connection, please.

Regards

 

[shunyadragon]

What claims about science one is referring to? Kindly provide references of my post/s in this connection, please.

Regards

Yes, often confusing claims between your religion and science as in this thread . .Your view of the relationship between you beliefs and science needs clarification. .

Science without words

Science without words - How do we identify science without a textual representation or language?Science would have not developed without a language.
If you were to observe a group of people who could not communicate with nor understood any language, how Science would have developed and conveyed to the next generation. What could we learn about science without languages. Language is absolutely necessary to understand science?

G-d endowed the human beings with languages* so that we can better our worldly living and also to know Him for our moral and spiritual needs in this world and in the hereafter. Right, please?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

If you were 100% certain that you knew the absolute truth, about God, the creation of the universe, what happens after death, etc...

Would you feel that any action necessary to get this truth out to the rest of the world would be justified?

Oh it would be like any other truth, everyone has a piece of that cake. Unless they felt like they had to tell it out of compulsion, they might tire of telling it. The truth is, the truth's everywhere. Even a prophet will tell you that, they mainly say things the townfolk already know, but got out of the habit of following. You find the truth in ordinary things. You can find the truth in a horse's eye, or a snake's eye, or anything. If you train a horse, you look in its eye and see fear and trust. It'll buck you off if can't get to the truth by navigating through the fear to the trust. A rattler will strike a man dead, I reckon it has a bit of coldness in its eye, so that tells you the universe has stuff you gotta watch out for

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said:
Science without words - How do we identify science without a textual representation or language?Science would have not developed without a language.
If you were to observe a group of people who could not communicate with nor understood any language, how Science would have developed and conveyed to the next generation. What could we learn about science without languages. Language is absolutely necessary to understand science?

G-d endowed the human beings with languages* so that we can better our worldly living and also to know Him for our moral and spiritual needs in this world and in the hereafter. Right, please?

Yes, often confusing claims between your religion and science as in this thread . .Your view of the relationship between you beliefs and science needs clarification. .

Science without words

"How do we identify science without a textual representation or language?Science would have not developed without a language."

If humans would have not been endowed by G-d with a language/s to speak or to communicate with one another, there would have been no science.

It is very clear on my part. What question one has in one's mind, please?

Regards

 

[ecco]

ETA: Are you going to duck and dodge like you did with your false "rabid theist" and "clowns" assertions?

That is your view, own up to it. This response and ALL other responses reflects that perspective.

That is not my view. I clearly showed where another poster, not me, used the term "clowns" and "rabid theist". I have pointed this out to you on several occasions. For you to continue to imply that those words/phrases stemmed from me is just plain lying.

 

[Audie]

That is not my view. I clearly showed where another poster, not me, used the term "clowns" and "rabid theist". I have pointed this out to you on several occasions. For you to continue to imply that those words/phrases stemmed from me is just plain lying.

People who dwell in fantasy land may just
have a problem distinguishing between what
they make up and what is real.

 

[ecco]

Your posts continue to reflect an arrogant aggressive vindictive biased agenda against the Baha'i Faith, and all this amounts to is a coached fallacy of 'arguing from ignorance' on your part.Your argument is based on vague what think was recorded or not recorded at the time the events took place which is sheer foolishness.

Your comment about coaching is more of your nonsense. However, if you think I am coached, then you must know who is coaching me. If you are being honest instead of deceitful, then you should be able to post who is coaching me and the source of your information. If you don't, if you duck and dodge again, we will chalk it up to just another example of Bahai dishonesty.

You still have not been able to support your allegation that my comments are part of a "coached fallacy". Once again you made false comments about me and, when called out, you just ducked and dodged and evaded.

You accuse me of having "an arrogant aggressive vindictive biased agenda against the Baha'i Faith". You are the one who made a comment about a "coached fallacy", the Bahai Faith did not make the comment. My responses are directed against you, not the Bahai Faith.

You, not the Bahai Faith, were also the one who falsely accused me of using the phrase "rabid theist". You, not the Bahai Faith, refuses to admit to your errors. If I come across as arrogant and aggressive toward you, it is because I do not stand still when people to make false allegations about me and then refuse to retract them.

 

[Audie]

You still have not been able to support your allegation that my comments are part of a "coached fallacy". Once again you made false comments about me and, when called out, you just ducked and dodged and evaded.

You accuse me of having "an arrogant aggressive vindictive biased agenda against the Baha'i Faith". You are the one who made a comment about a "coached fallacy", the Bahai Faith did not make the comment. My responses are directed against you, not the Bahai Faith.

You, not the Bahai Faith, were also the one who falsely accused me of using the phrase "rabid theist". You, not the Bahai Faith, refuses to admit to your errors. If I come across as arrogant and aggressive toward you, it is because I do not stand still when people to make false allegations about me and then refuse to retract them.

I had no opinion about this bahai stuff till I
started reading posts here.

I sure have opinions now!

 

[ecco]

People who dwell in fantasy land may just
have a problem distinguishing between what
they make up and what is real.

Perhaps. However, when shown who wrote what, and then to deny it is plain old lying.

 

[ecco]

I had no opinion about this bahai stuff till I
started reading posts here.

I sure have opinions now!

Ditto.

 

[shunyadragon]

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[shunyadragon]

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[shunyadragon]

paarsurrey said:
Science without words - How do we identify science without a textual representation or language?Science would have not developed without a language.
If you were to observe a group of people who could not communicate with nor understood any language, how Science would have developed and conveyed to the next generation. What could we learn about science without languages. Language is absolutely necessary to understand science?

G-d endowed the human beings with languages* so that we can better our worldly living and also to know Him for our moral and spiritual needs in this world and in the hereafter. Right, please?

"How do we identify science without a textual representation or language?Science would have not developed without a language."

If humans would have not been endowed by G-d with a language/s to speak or to communicate with one another, there would have been no science.

It is very clear on my part. What question one has in one's mind, please?

Regards

I prefer simplicity of context and dialogue, and anecdotal abstractions.

Science = scientific methods + objective verifiable evidence.

 

[paarsurrey]

I had no opinion about this bahai stuff till I
started reading posts here.

I sure have opinions now!

The same is my position.
I also never thought to indulge with any discussion/debate with Bahaism people till suddenly I found a group of Bahais here in RF. So, I started reading "Kitab-i-Iqan" and now I know:

• Bahaullah had no "Word of Revelation" from G-d in the sense we Muslim believe Quran is "Word of Revelation" from G-d.
• Bahaullah had a shallow knowledge of Quran as he erred as I found out on several occasion while reading "Kitab-i-Iqan" from my personal knowledge of Quran.
• Bahaullah had no knowledge of Sunni-Hadith, his little knowledge only pertained to the Shia-Hadith, of which he failed to provide references, and not even the UHJ has provided all along these 150+ years.
• My understanding has developed that Bahaullah was not even a Bahai, strictly speaking.
• The present form of Bahaism is more of a fabrication of Abdul Baha and Shoghí Effendí, copying certain mottoes of the Western Society to make it appealing to them.
• Etc.
• Etc.

Thanks to all the Bahaism People in this forum.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I prefer simplicity of context and dialogue, and anecdotal abstractions.

Science = scientific methods + objective verifiable evidence.

• We know about human life and its purpose from Word of Revelation from G-d.
• For our worldly affairs we need Science.

So, we need both of them.

This is simple.

Regards

 

[shunyadragon]

• We know about human life and its purpose from Word of Revelation from G-d.
• For our worldly affairs we need Science.

So, we need both of them.

This is simple.

Regards

OK

 

[Ouroboros]

If you were 100% certain that you knew the absolute truth, about God, the creation of the universe, what happens after death, etc...

Would you feel that any action necessary to get this truth out to the rest of the world would be justified?

No. Because I do. And it's too depressing...