The Absolute Truth

[shunyadragon]

I tend to think there are aspects of being that fly off of many people's radar. The spiritual heart of mankind for instance.

True, but needs further explanation, because as worded that negate the concept of 'Truth' from the human perspective including you and me.

 

[sojourner]

That's up to you. What's it worth to enlighten the entire world to the truth?

Wouldn’t that constitute a savior complex?

 

[sojourner]

I do know the answer to life, the universe and everything.
But you wouldn't like it.
I don't like it, it makes me depressed.

Is it “42?”

 

[sojourner]

Any concept of 'my truth' is anecdotal and relative, and has no relationship to truth.

I disagree. All truth is relative. We each approach truth from a unique perspective.

 

[shunyadragon]

I disagree. All truth is relative. We each approach truth from a unique perspective.

Then it is not longer Truth it is relative knowledge of the unique perspective of the of the fallible individual. Truth would be based on the broader universat perspective of fact and reality as defined; would have to be universal perspective beyond the individual.

Truth could not be relative by definition/ You can define 'Truth' anyway you want from your perspective, but it would communicate with others as defined in the English language.

 

[sojourner]

Then it is not longer Truth it is relative knowledge of the unique perspective of the of the fallible individual. Truth would be based on the broader universat perspective of fact and reality as defined; True would have to be universal perspective beyond the individual.

You can define 'Truth' anyway you want from your perspective, but it would communicate with others as defined in the English language.

Of course it’s truth. All truth comes together in relationship. That’s why Gis is expressed as Trinity: God-in-relationship.

 

[osgart]

True, but needs further explanation, because as worded that negate the concept of 'Truth' from the human perspective including you and me.

Words fail me here. The capacity to live virtues such as honesty is something the spiritual heart does. The fact that a person can take such meanings seriously, and worthily. There are values we can adopt and take personally for ourselves.

Things that self awareness provides vs. being asleep to one's own motivations, and one's own self even.

I find truth in values and what they come to mean; in general, and as applies to a situation. People might define honesty in a haphazard way, or people may have an in depth understanding of what honesty means.

I believe that there is truth in the study of values. Meanings that are capacities that are worthy for everybody. And a sense of fairness comes out of such a truth.

Its fascinating when a common language is understood among different peoples. Meanings take on life. Just the fact that a word such as honesty is given a meaning that can be understood and demonstrated among people is worthy of study.

 

[osgart]

True, but needs further explanation, because as worded that negate the concept of 'Truth' from the human perspective including you and me.

Words fail me here. The capacity to live virtues such as honesty is something the spiritual heart does. The fact that a person can take such meanings seriously, and worthily. There are values we can adopt and take personally for ourselves.

Things that self awareness provides vs. being asleep to one's own motivations, and one's own self even.

I find truth in values and what they come to mean; in general, and as applies to a situation. People might define honesty in a haphazard way, or people may have an in depth understanding of what honesty means.

I believe that there is truth in the study of values. Meanings that are capacities that are worthy for everybody. And a sense of fairness comes out of such a truth.

Its fascinating when a common language is understood among different peoples. Meanings take on life. Just the fact that a word such as honesty is given a meaning that can be understood and demonstrated among people is worthy of study.

 

[shunyadragon]

Of course it’s truth. All truth comes together in relationship. That’s why Gis is expressed as Trinity: God-in-relationship.

Your jumping around here. The belief in the Trinity is ONLY true or a Truth for those that believe it as a religious belief based on faith.. It has no relationship to fact or reality as Truth is defined.mIn fact even the existence of God, without considering the belief in the Trinity, could ONLY be considered Truth from the individual perspective based on faith, and not a 'fact in reality.'.

Something some people believe something is 'Truth;' ie Trinity, but it does not make it true, because the reality likely it is a fact that most do not believe it true.

 

[shunyadragon]

Words fail me here. The capacity to live virtues such as honesty is something the spiritual heart does. The fact that a person can take such meanings seriously, and worthily. There are values we can adopt and take personally for ourselves.

Things that self awareness provides vs. being asleep to one's own motivations, and one's own self even.

I find truth in values and what they come to mean; in general, and as applies to a situation. People might define honesty in a haphazard way, or people may have an in depth understanding of what honesty means.

I believe that there is truth in the study of values. Meanings that are capacities that are worthy for everybody. And a sense of fairness comes out of such a truth.

Its fascinating when a common language is understood among different peoples. Meanings take on life. Just the fact that a word such as honesty is given a meaning that can be understood and demonstrated among people is worthy of study.

These considerations are real and important to the human journey, but they are too subjective and esoteric to be consider Truth, and they as believed by individuals are too diverse and sometimes contradictory between individual views to be considered 'Truth' by definition. What is 'Truth' would have to universal 'fact and realty,' and more a collective understanding of 'fact and reality.'.

 

[Heyo]

Is it “42?”

Depressing, isn't it?

 

[osgart]

These considerations are real and important to the human journey, but they are too subjective and esoteric to be consider Truth, and they as believed by individuals are too diverse and sometimes contradictory between individual views to be considered 'Truth' by definition. What is 'Truth' would have to universal 'fact and realty,' and more a collective understanding of 'fact and reality.'.

So honesty would have to be defined universally, accurately, productively and effectively and thenceforth collectively shared to be considered truth!

As i see a lot of meanings that are values , i can see where they would be universally worthy if defined and applied accurately, and correctly. But oh well.

 

[Heyo]

Truth could not be relative by definition/ You can define 'Truth' anyway you want from your perspective, but it would communicate with others as defined in the English language.

Be aware of the difference between truth and Truth. They are almost diametric opposites.

 

[shunyadragon]

Be aware of the difference between truth and Truth. They are almost diametric opposites.

Not coherent. Please define truth and truth as opposites. I do realize that Truth may be used other ways in particule, ie to 'Tell the Truth,' but this also would be to expect the testimony of 'fact and reality.'

Pretty much most of all the references in this thread refer to Truth, as th thread title Absolute Truth.

 

[Heyo]

Please define truth and truth as opposites.

Not a definition, just an observation: believers like to capitalize "Truth" and when they do they usually mean their dogma or their scripture. Lower case truth usually signifies a true statement, something that is in accord with the facts.

 

[ecco]

The first step is for a person to desire to Discover the absolute truth.

David Koresh thought he was on the path to discovering the absolute truth.

 

[ecco]

The Absolute Truth

Absolute Truth is G-d Himself, humans could know only what he revealed about Himself, nothing beyond that.

Regards

That he has revealed nothing about himself is evidence that he does not exist.

 

[usfan]

If you were 100% certain that you knew the absolute truth, about God, the creation of the universe, what happens after death, etc...

Would you feel that any action necessary to get this truth out to the rest of the world would be justified?

No. Truth is it's own apologist. We can present it with Reason and empiricism, but we cannot force compliance.. that is the nature of man. Many prefer the soothing belief of lies, to the harsh reality of Truth.

Even if i were 100% certain that i was imbued with perfect knowledge, i would not be dogmatic about it. Knowledge and wisdom is something you demonstrate, in life, not declare to your peers.

"The fundamental cause of trouble in the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." ~Bertrand Russell

 

[ecco]

Of course it’s truth. All truth comes together in relationship.

Be aware of the difference between truth and Truth. They are almost diametric opposites.

 

[ecco]

Even if i were 100% certain that i was imbued with perfect knowledge, i would not be dogmatic about it.

Instead, knowing that you are not imbued with perfect knowledge, you feel it is acceptable for you to be dogmatic. Interesting.