The Apostle Paul was the anti-christ according to the first Christians

[angellous_evangellous]

Dont hold your breath

Surely youi meani breathi.

 

[Robert.Evans]

It will dawn on you sooni or lateri.

Your religion says your Christian. That is supposed to mean something. I asked you a question. I don't play games. It is up to you. but if you are not going to answer it, then say nothing. You do have a signature at the bottom of your page which says something that you yourself are not doing

 

[savagewind]

There's a difference between being cool and thinking that you're cool. The two qualities are very rarely seen together.

Cool doesn't mean funny. Does it?

 

[savagewind]

I have read nothing in any Bible which begins with the words "I think/believe" or "we think/believe". If there is, because there must be as I am reading people here know what people where thinking then, please tell where I can find it.

 

[metis]

But your clueless to which lines are real with no education at all on these topics


Who had something to loose here.

Romans

OR

The Corrupt Hellenistic jewish temple authorities who knew if a religious group started a riot at Passover that the temple would fall under the Roman sword??????????

Why would you assume they were "corrupt"? Worried about how the Romans might react doesn't necessarily translate out to them being "corrupt".

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Your religion says your Christian. That is supposed to mean something. I asked you a question. I don't play games. It is up to you. but if you are not going to answer it, then say nothing. You do have a signature at the bottom of your page which says something that you yourself are not doing

I will be careful to follow your useful and relevant instructions.

You shall have no bologna.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I have read nothing in any Bible which begins with the words "I think/believe" or "we think/believe". If there is, because there must be as I am reading people here know what people where thinking then, please tell where I can find it.

1 Cor. 7:26
Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is.

1 Cor. 7:40
In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

2 Peter 1:13
I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body...

 

[savagewind]

1 Cor. 7:26
Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is.

1 Cor. 7:40
In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

2 Peter 1:13
I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body...

OK Thank you.
Strong's Greek: 3543. ?????? (nomizó) -- to practice, consider
suppose
From nomos; properly, to do by law (usage), i.e. To accustom (passively, be usual); by extension, to deem or regard -- suppose, thing, be wont.

Of course what I mean is it is not written "we think Paul is antichrist" even when he was Saul he wasn't called it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

OK Thank you.
Strong's Greek: 3543. ?????? (nomizó) -- to practice, consider
suppose
From nomos; properly, to do by law (usage), i.e. To accustom (passively, be usual); by extension, to deem or regard -- suppose, thing, be wont.

Of course what I mean is it is not written "we think Paul is antichrist" even when he was Saul he wasn't called it.

I think that 'think' is not a good rendition... it is more in line with a custom or that is lawfully done, as the definition states. So the verses he quoted are not that relevant

 

[Tabb]

So describe this Roman payroll.

1) Where is Paul on the pay scale? That is, how is he situated with everyone else on the scale? Is he at the top, bottom, middle?

2) How many people were on the Roman payroll?

3) How much was Paul paid? What was the currency? (money, land, women, slaves?)

Thats hilarious. I'm sorry I shouldn't use modern lingo to describe an ancient arrangement. How about he received favor for carrying out the wishes of the empire. How's that. Better for you.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Thats hilarious. I'm sorry I shouldn't use modern lingo to describe an ancient arrangement. How about he received favor for carrying out the wishes of the empire. How's that. Better for you.

Not really. What favors did he receive and from whom did he receive it?

Two of my questions are still valid, with slight adjustment:

1) Where is Paul on the favor scale? That is, how is he situated with everyone else on the scale? Is he at the top, bottom, middle? Surely there must be some that received more favor and others who received less?


2) What kind of favors did Paul receive? What was the currency? (money, land, women, slaves?)

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I think that 'think' is not a good rendition... it is more in line with a custom or that is lawfully done, as the definition states. So the verses he quoted are not that relevant

Hi. I don't read Greek. I will tell you what it means.

I am right. So there.

 

[Tabb]

Not really. What favors did he receive and from whom did he receive it?

Two of my questions are still valid, with slight adjustment:

1) Where is Paul on the favor scale? That is, how is he situated with everyone else on the scale? Is he at the top, bottom, middle? Surely there must be some that received more favor and others who received less?


2) What kind of favors did Paul receive? What was the currency? (money, land, women, slaves?)

You realize those question are ludicrous. I made an observation that admittedly was an opinion based on his situation. You in turn ask for specific information that no one would know not named Saul of tarsus. If you disagree just say so and keep it moving.

 

[outhouse]

Why would you assume they were "corrupt"? ".

Assume? No factually is the word.


First Romans placed Caiaphas in Power. He was a Hellenistic puppet ruler.

The currency in gods house had a pagan deity on all the required temple coins.

The Sadducees ran the temple and they were hated.

There were divisions in Judaism between Hellenistic Judaism perverting the religion, and tried and true Israelite Jews.

No more was this more noticeable then in Galilee where Zealots fought this tooth and nail due to the socioeconomic difference and impact rebuilding Sepphoris had on the common Jewish peasant, especially Aramaic Jews.


Jesus action in the temple were due to corruption, and had nothing at all to do with his version of Judaism

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You realize those question are ludicrous. I made an observation that admittedly was an opinion based on his situation. You in turn ask for specific information that no one would know not named Saul of tarsus. If you disagree just say so and keep it moving.

It's not ludicrous. It illustrates how uninformed your opinion is. If you are correct, then surely you would be able to situate Paul somewhere amongst the people who were receiving favors from Rome for doing something that's similar.

If there's no evidence for this, then it would be the only time in history Rome gave favors for doing what Paul did. And if there's no evidence anywhere, you're making stuff up.

It's fun to make stuff up - but if you cannot supply any evidence at all - which we might not expect for Paul specifically but surely for many others - this is the stuff that you're leaping over to conclude that he's receiving favors.

 

[Shad]

Not really. What favors did he receive and from whom did he receive it?


2) What kind of favors did Paul receive? What was the currency? (money, land, women, slaves?)

Roman citizenship which was only granted to Legionaries after 25 years of service, being born of a Roman citizen or granted by the State.

 

[Tabb]

Roman citizenship which was only granted to Legionaries after 25 years of service, being born of a Roman citizen or granted by the State.

Thanks Shad.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Roman citizenship which was only granted to Legionaries after 25 years of service, being born of a Roman citizen or granted by the State.

.....

 

[Tabb]

It's not ludicrous. It illustrates how uninformed your opinion is. If you are correct, then surely you would be able to situate Paul somewhere amongst the people who were receiving favors from Rome for doing something that's similar.

If there's no evidence for this, then it would be the only time in history Rome gave favors for doing what Paul did. And if there's no evidence anywhere, you're making stuff up.

It's fun to make stuff up - but if you cannot supply any evidence at all - which we might not expect for Paul specifically but surely for many others - this is the stuff that you're leaping over to conclude that he's receiving favors.

I ask you, why was a Jew born in Tarus Turkey a Roman Citizen. If you can't see a problem with that.

Thanks for the assist Shad.

 

[Shad]

Also keep in mind being a Roman citizen is becoming a member of the elite class. Italy outside of Roman were not Roman citizens but Italian allies. Provincial citizens were below both of the above. A freeman, or freedman, is further below the 3 above. Each step on the ladder of various citizenship definition include and restricted what a person could do. If you were not a Roman citizen you could never be a governor, senator or politician in the upper echelons of the State. There were also various forms of taxation for each group with the upper citizen class having lower taxes. Also support from the state was limited if you were not a Roman citizen. Citizens were given free food by virtue of being Roman.

Paul as a Jew he was just above a slave and below a freeman. By gaining citizenship he skipped many tiers on the ladder of Roman social order. This just screams that Paul was treated differently and it raises a question. Why was he a citizen and what did he do to gain this standing.