The Arab World: the Perspective of an "Insider"

[Lyndon]

Well then maybe you should have been more careful about the previous comments you made, which could easily be interpreted the way I did.

 

[leibowde84]

Well then maybe you should be more careful about the previous comments you made, which could easily be interpreted the way I did.

You seem to be the only one ignorant enough to make that assumption without, instead, merely asking me what I meant. You seem to have a major prejudice against Americans.

 

[Lyndon]

What people seem to be unaware of is that ISIS is the "government" of these areas in Syria and Iraq, and the military, but not the people who far outnumber them and are relatively innocent, If you kill everyone in ISIS territory 90-95% of those people would be innocent, I would estimate. And just like in the Iraq wars, if you drop a lot of bombs, a lot of innocent civilians, women and children are going to die. A ground campaign would probably kill less innocent civilians than aerial bombing.

 

[leibowde84]

My major prejudice Is against the government and especially the military of America, I have no problem with the people unless they want to support hatred and violence towards other countries.

You mean you have something against individual soldiers, or just the leaders of the military specifically. Because, most soldiers have no input into what they have to do. And, most are between the ages of 18-24, so they are incredibly young.

 

[Lyndon]

Being a non violent person, who promotes passive resistance and non violence, I do not support young Americans joining the military if our Government is going to use them to spread war and destruction around the war, most people join the military because they support what the military does and stands for, I for one do not support that.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

the root of ISIS is invade Iraq by USA , because of lies( weapon destructions, nuclear weapon ) .
in the end the world discover that it's just a lie , all about oil .

Agreed. The West created the vacuum IS would eventually emerge in, but it was Muslims willing to kill other Muslims that fill its ranks.

West put his nose in Iraq and Libya and Syria , then put whole the blame on us (Muslims) !!!

The West is to blame for toppling Saddam's government, yes. But the West is not to blame for sectarian divisions in the Muslim world going back almost to its inception, and the West most certainly did not force Muslims to start killing each other (and non-Muslims). Islamic sectarianism is actually older than a lot of Western nations like England, Scotland, France, Spain, Germany and the United States.

The histories of our respective nations don't go as far back Islam's own divisions. I suggest you reflect on that.

By laying the blame at our feet you're basically admitting that Middle Eastern Muslims are creatures whose hearts are filled only with hate & violence; that fighting those who believe differently is so instinctual, so engrained in their psyches they literally cannot refrain from it unless they're being repressed by a third party. You're also admitting that Saddam was the only thing stopping Sunnis & Shias from killing one another; not their own consciences, not their allegedly superior moral authority, not an innate sense of altruism and certainly not the idea that murder is wrong. It was the threat of violence that held the hate at bay for decades.

We didn't force Muslims to kill each other for years. We did not give them the guns, we did not whisper the hateful thoughts in their ears, we didn't plant the idea that 'killing other Muslims is okay' in their heads. They did that all by themselves. In fact, the West spent precious lives and money trying to stop the Muslims killing one another. Our soldiers shed their blood putting down one petty sectarian warlord after another. But I suppose that's another form of Western oppression to you.

Stop blaming us for your co-religionists own fatal flaws.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

most of areas in Syria are almost empty , that's why there are millions of Syrians refugees around the world

I hope there will be no more civilian casualties , i wish that West happened Syrian and Iraqi armies to fight them on ground , more than bombing them by airstrikes , so avoid a little more civilian casualties .

Are you saying you wish the West would send in armies to fight Islamic State on the ground?

 

[Debater Slayer]

It remember me of some muslims who are still complaining about loosing Spain.
My mother until now don't understand why they didn't accept Islam and why we had to left...
I explained to her hundred times that it was a form of colonialism, it wasn't our land and they are free to refuse to believe, but she still don't understand

Assalaamu a'laykum,

I applaud your whole post, but I have especially massive respect for this part. The vaunted Islamic civilization in Al-Andalus was, at its core foundations, a form of colonialism. Spain was never the Muslims' to begin with, and claiming that it was unfair for the Spanish to take it back strikes me as inconsistent at best.