The assumptions behind evolution?

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Considering that I made no assertions there other than that I believe that letting the evidence lead you to a conclusion is the best way to come to the most likely conclusions about how things work, I have to say that your conclusion shows that you didn't understand what I said in the least.

So, you've utterly failed to understand the one point you replied to, and you failed to reply to the rest, so thank you for conceding the whole argument to me.

Again, your own little Darwinian fighting tooth and nail style of argumentation. And I will admit that it's working, you have successfully heaped an enormous amount of nonsense on the issue, that anybody would be so confused and intimidated by it, that they can't normally regard freedom is real and relevant in the universe anymore. That's quite an achievement to be able to cloud plain and obvious facts. You should simply stop fighting and support knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe, or else you are not a scientist, even not a hobby scientists. Scientists don't reject plain and obvious facts for which they have direct evidence.

 

[LuisDantas]

Hey, Mohammad, those evil Darwinians have so far failed to contact me. Do you think you might drop them a line about me so that I may develop some of those cool superpowers?

 

[Midnight Rain]

The Modern Christian Church doesn't go as deep as they are meant to. I went to some churches to see what it was about.
There is a way to partake of the divine nature to be holy and perfect.
There were some local people that were met who were practicing Wicca but they were also taking drugs.

I wouldn't tie Wicca to drugs. And all of my experiences have been without drugs.

 

[AllanV]

Hey, Mohammad, those evil Darwinians have so far failed to contact me. Do you think you might drop them a line about me so that I may develop some of those cool superpowers?

The stronger a person is in their own power the more likely they will become sick.

Man lives and dies but the life is given from God.

The stronger the will power the greater the problem. It is not just a problem for the speaker but a problem for the hearer because a defense in own mind power has to be established. Much conflict occurs because there are also attachments in the mind that bring, fear, imagination and the like.

This is why Jesus said the father's will and my will are one. He purified his self so the personality didn't have a forceful energy coming out with the words. The nature of Jesus is gentle does not impose and demands nothing. This nature gives access to immortality.

The nature of Jesus must be found.

 

[AllanV]

I wouldn't tie Wicca to drugs. And all of my experiences have been without drugs.

That's good because they produce barriers.

I don't know much about Wicca. There is a device called the "God helmet" and when skeptics put it on they are amazed at the experience. It is said to interfere with the natural senses information to the brain then allowing frontal lobe activity change.

The Scriptures say that it is necessary to see passed the natural senses. Before they were read this is my experience.

There is no need for a device at all.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

This is not my area of interest but why would those with experience in different fields, who can see anomalies go out on a limb with a saw. I do other projects and do not want to get into an extensive diversion, because these individuals lean on a lifetimes work including qualification.

Can you list me some examples?

 

[AllanV]

Can you list me some examples?

Did you watch the video? Dr John Sanford.
experience in genetic engineering that will feed a hungry world.

Insight into the function of the genome in the cell
The instruction set is like a superior operating system.
100 trillion cells in the human body
The genome project map completion in 2001 filling in the gaps continues.
The 2007 phase two, encode project, functionality over 90% in the genome more study needed.
to date the study shows that there are overlapping messages, several overlaps more than 50%,
In the genome both strands are read forward and back ward showing data compression.

Challenge to evolutionary randomness and selection over time. No affirmation of world view (7.00 min on the video)

Nature selects whole individual if selections works at all. Human

Nature can not make changes just above the subatomic level, it is not seen.

Population geneticists say, human is degenerating 1-5% per generation.

Personal genetic entropy is why a human dies.

Accumulating mutations are added on at a rate of 100 per generation and passed on. Aging and death are being passed on.

Why we are not dead one hundred times over.
WHY WE ARE NOT DEAD ONE HUNDRED TIMES OVER - Charlesworth - 2013 - Evolution - Wiley Online Library
This article has to be paid for but a small part of it is on this site.


(PhysOrg.com) -- Eminent Australian scientist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to wipe out smallpox, predicts humans will probably be extinct within 100 years, because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.

Read more at: Humans will be extinct in 100 years says eminent scientist

What is interesting on this site is the chart of population growth.

The time period is very short when the human population grew very fast. With mutations apparent in the genome there is no time for positive evolution. The mutations will be spread and continue through the large population.
This article goes through a few instances and states that there are very few if any positive mutations.
Beneficial Mutation–Selection Balance and the Effect of Linkage on Positive Selection

The thought occurs in conclusion that there is a will operating universally that facilitates change for all species depending what the pressure of the earth environment is providing.
Man is an exception where his own separate will operates through what ever choices are made. Man does his own selection to a point. Two fit motivated people may get together or two not so.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Did you watch the video? Dr John Sanford.
experience in genetic engineering that will feed a hungry world.

I've heard of him. Don't have a lot of respect for him but I've heard of him.

Insight into the function of the genome in the cell
The instruction set is like a superior operating system.
100 trillion cells in the human body
The genome project map completion in 2001 filling in the gaps continues.
The 2007 phase two, encode project, functionality over 90% in the genome more study needed.
to date the study shows that there are overlapping messages, several overlaps more than 50%,
In the genome both strands are read forward and back ward showing data compression.

What seems to be the problem so far?

Challenge to evolutionary randomness and selection over time. No affirmation of world view (7.00 min on the video)

Nature selects whole individual if selections works at all. Human

Nature can not make changes just above the subatomic level, it is not seen.

Population geneticists say, human is degenerating 1-5% per generation.

Personal genetic entropy is why a human dies.

Accumulating mutations are added on at a rate of 100 per generation and passed on. Aging and death are being passed on.

I can't watch this video right now but I will later when I get home. So I'll put a pin in it for this response till then.

Why we are not dead one hundred times over.
WHY WE ARE NOT DEAD ONE HUNDRED TIMES OVER - Charlesworth - 2013 - Evolution - Wiley Online Library
This article has to be paid for but a small part of it is on this site.

Nothing here seems to contrast evolution.

(PhysOrg.com) -- Eminent Australian scientist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to wipe out smallpox, predicts humans will probably be extinct within 100 years, because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.

Read more at: Humans will be extinct in 100 years says eminent scientist

What is interesting on this site is the chart of population growth.

The time period is very short when the human population grew very fast. With mutations apparent in the genome there is no time for positive evolution. The mutations will be spread and continue through the large population.
This article goes through a few instances and states that there are very few if any positive mutations.
Beneficial Mutation–Selection Balance and the Effect of Linkage on Positive Selection

The thought occurs in conclusion that there is a will operating universally that facilitates change for all species depending what the pressure of the earth environment is providing.
Man is an exception where his own separate will operates through what ever choices are made. Man does his own selection to a point. Two fit motivated people may get together or two not so.

This has nothing to do with anti-evolution information. This is well known and its actually a concern for many people. However it usually isn't talked about because it implies that many people simply need to die. Do you know how many people wear glasses (myself included) compared to how many needed glasses a thousand years ago? That is an evolutionary deficit but it isn't unaccounted for. In fact it verifies the theory.

 

[AllanV]

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The Chart of population growth is interesting. It climbs that steeply from a relatively small base. How would this effect positive mutation or would it place negative or deleterious through the whole population

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The Chart of population growth is interesting. It climbs that steeply from a relatively small base. How would this effect positive mutation or would it place negative or deleterious through the whole population

Both actually. A lack of natural selection decreases the amount of "weeding" we get from those that are less fit. But it also allows for more potential positive mutations as well. If those positive mutations are successful then we will see them advance our species.

Though again in what way does that counter evolution?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Both actually. A lack of natural selection decreases the amount of "weeding" we get from those that are less fit. But it also allows for more potential positive mutations as well. If those positive mutations are successful then we will see them advance our species.

Though again in what way does that counter evolution?

According to evolution theory there is the total chaos of random mutation on the on hand, and the weak force of natural selection working over millions of years on the other hand.

It then become common sense for doctors to patrol the reproductive rights of the population on behalf of the government.

However evolution theory is nonsense, and the only guard for reproduction we need is marriage understood as a union of souls.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

According to evolution theory there is the total chaos of random mutation on the on hand, and the weak force of natural selection working over millions of years on the other hand.

Overly simplified but more or less correct.

It then become common sense for doctors to patrol the reproductive rights of the population on behalf of the government.

When and where did this happen? And I doubt it was doctors if it was anyone

However evolution theory is nonsense, and the only guard for reproduction we need is marriage understood as a union of souls.

Damn. And you started out so well in this post.

 

[AllanV]

Both actually. A lack of natural selection decreases the amount of "weeding" we get from those that are less fit. But it also allows for more potential positive mutations as well. If those positive mutations are successful then we will see them advance our species.

Though again in what way does that counter evolution?

The reading that was done suggests positive mutation is very rare the ratio between negative and deleterious wasn't shown. About 100 neg and del are passed on per generation but are not discernible usually.

It is really saying there is a genetic entropy within the genome that is passed on.

The previous links when read relate some of this.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The reading that was done suggests positive mutation is very rare the ratio between negative and deleterious wasn't shown. About 100 neg and del are passed on per generation but are not discernible usually.

It is really saying there is a genetic entropy within the genome that is passed on.

The previous links when read relate some of this.

This still does not actually bring evidence counter to evolution except our success may end in genetic failure.

 

[Sapiens]

The reading that was done suggests positive mutation is very rare the ratio between negative and deleterious wasn't shown. About 100 neg and del are passed on per generation but are not discernible usually.

It is really saying there is a genetic entropy within the genome that is passed on.

The previous links when read relate some of this.

You're not considering at genes come in pairs, mutations come in singles, the other half of the pair is usually there to provide cover and thus it is not selected against.

 

[gnostic]

Did you watch the video? Dr John Sanford.

Sanford had flush his scientific achievements down the toilet, the moment he became advocate for Intelligent Design, and is now a joke among the geneticists.

 

[AllanV]

This still does not actually bring evidence counter to evolution except our success may end in genetic failure.

That's not the science it isn't failure that is how it works.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

That's not the science it isn't failure that is how it works.

I said our genetic failure. If we dilute our genes and become a weaker species because our advancement allows us to care for the unfit and we destroy our own habitat...it doesn't make evolution wrong. It makes it correct.

 

[AllanV]

I said our genetic failure. If we dilute our genes and become a weaker species because our advancement allows us to care for the unfit and we destroy our own habitat...it doesn't make evolution wrong. It makes it correct.

This probably why it was read that the theory feeds into the hands of the advocates of eugenics. This is actually being worked out now to some degree it is subtle.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Overly simplified but more or less correct.

When and where did this happen? And I doubt it was doctors if it was anyone

Damn. And you started out so well in this post.

2/3 of doctors were members of the nazi organization for doctors, at the start of when Hitler got to power. (eh, the 2/3 is from memory, but it was high).

Currently 20 percent of the world population lives under a eugenics regime in China. This is not limited to the infamous 1 child policy, but there are also diverse laws against reproduction of people with hereditary diseases and mental illness. Some years ago there was talk of a company in France making a database of the genetics of all the Chinese. The eugenics is also much thematic of present Chinese culture, so to say, it is not a limited disease control issue in the back of people's minds, but very much at the forefront in their mind.