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The Atheist Contradiction and Reasoning

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
The question I'm posing to atheists is where does emotion originate from and how do they know, if they can not see the emotion.

Because once we know where the emotion comes from in the brain, we can re-stimulate that area with electricity. When we do that and the person feels the emotion again, that tells us the emotion is caused by the brain.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Fatihah ,

I can read, I know what you are doing. You are not near as slippery as you think you are.

As has been explained to you, emotion is a phenomenon of the brain, that has no existence outside the brain, and can only be measured in terms of what the brain is doing. That you keep harping on this anyway points only to your unwillingness to learn, or a profound level of dishonesty.

Response: Which still doesn't answer the question as to where emotions originated and derive from. The fact that you simply can't acknowledge that you have no answer, yet continue to answer points to your unwillingness to learn, or a profound level of dishonesty.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Because once we know where the emotion comes from in the brain, we can re-stimulate that area with electricity. When we do that and the person feels the emotion again, that tells us the emotion is caused by the brain.

Response: That's begging the question. How do you know the emotion came from the brain without seeing it come from the brain?
 
Response: Which still doesn't answer the question as to where emotions originated and derive from. The fact that you simply can't acknowledge that you have no answer, yet continue to answer points to your unwillingness to learn, or a profound level of dishonesty.
ROFL you honestly made me spit out my coffee. This has been answered about a dozen times now. emotions 'come from' the brain. Geezus man try to keep up.
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
Response: That's begging the question. How do you know the emotion came from the brain without seeing it come from the brain?

Causation. When you stimulate a portion of the brain and the person feels a particular emotion; that tells you all you need to know.
 
If you smoke a joint and get high, could you reasonably conclude that the joint wasn't the cause because you can't see the high?

This is getting silly.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Neurochemicals cause emotions. You can see neurochemicals in large enough quantities.
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
Response: That's begging the question...

Speaking of 'begging the question' thank you for reminding me...

Then, the atheist denies the idea of intelligent design. That the beautiful design, perfect detail, and consistancy in which things were created was not done by intelligent design. In other words, it was done by chance. Let's look deeper. When you walk into a room, and see things placed and organized in a nice manner, do you accept that it happened by chance? That something beautifully organized and arranged, can be created without intelligence? Take the Mona Lisa painting for example. Do you believe it possible to create the Mina Lisa by chance? That someone can throw or splatter paint on paper, and the end result can be a beautiful piece of art work like the Mina Lisa? Or would it be more reasonable to believe that the Mona Lisa was created by intelligent design?Do you accept that something by chance or unintelligence, can create something intelligent? Is it not more logical, that something made of intelligence can only be created by intelligence? Thus the intelligence and conformity in the creation of the universe, life itself, and all that exists, had to be created by intelligent design?

To claim that intelligence can only be caused by intelligence immediately begs the question: What intelligence caused god?
 

bossbozz

Member
If you were to ask an atheist about how the universe, life itself, and all that exists came to be, the answer would be scientific. Scientific study requires a key element, observation. And after extensive study through observation, atheists conclude that there is no God, or rather, there is no proof that God exist. Thus they conclude, through scientific study and observation, the origin of the universe, life itself, and all that exist. This being the case, how does an atheist view emotions? Love, happiness, sadness, laughter, etc. Where are these emotions derived from? What is it's origin? For if we look through a microscope, we can see atoms, microorganisms, etc. But you can not see sadness. Or happiness. Or love. So where do these emotions originate from and derive from, if not the human soul? And how do you know where it's derived from, if you can't see it? This alone should demonstrate that it's origin and where emotions are derived from is not visible as well, thus the human soul. Many atheists say that there is no proof of God because no one can see God. Yet they have no delay in accepting that humans have emotions, yet they can not look inside any body and see emotions. A contradiction. How do atheists explain this?

Emotions happen on a biological level. Chemicals within the body such as adrenaline, serotonin and dopamine etc are released that cause the feelings of emotion. Science can and does explain emotions and also how issues such as depression occur when the bodies chemistry isn't functioning properly. Emotions play different roles but are all essential to our survival. For instance it is important that we feel love and care for our children or our species would die out and it is important to feel fear so that we know when we are in danger... the list goes on. Yes emotions are not tangible in a visible sense but they are very well explained by science and psychology.

Then, the atheist denies the idea of intelligent design. That the beautiful design, perfect detail, and consistancy in which things were created was not done by intelligent design. In other words, it was done by chance. Let's look deeper. When you walk into a room, and see things placed and organized in a nice manner, do you accept that it happened by chance? That something beautifully organized and arranged, can be created without intelligence? Take the Mona Lisa painting for example. Do you believe it possible to create the Mina Lisa by chance? That someone can throw or splatter paint on paper, and the end result can be a beautiful piece of art work like the Mina Lisa? Or would it be more reasonable to believe that the Mona Lisa was created by intelligent design?Do you accept that something by chance or unintelligence, can create something intelligent? Is it not more logical, that something made of intelligence can only be created by intelligence? Thus the intelligence and conformity in the creation of the universe, life itself, and all that exists, had to be created by intelligent design?

Inanimate objects in a room cannot evolve in a way that biological organisms do. Really you're not comparing like to like here. The argument you're presenting has been made before by Kurt Cameron and is addressed in detail in this video that explains it far better than I ever could:

[youtube]v8nYTJf62sE[/youtube]
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Emotions happen on a biological level. Chemicals within the body such as adrenaline, serotonin and dopamine etc are released that cause the feelings of emotion. Science can and does explain emotions and also how issues such as depression occur when the bodies chemistry isn't functioning properly. Emotions play different roles but are all essential to our survival. For instance it is important that we feel love and care for our children or our species would die out and it is important to feel fear so that we know when we are in danger... the list goes on. Yes emotions are not tangible in a visible sense but they are very well explained by science and psychology.



Inanimate objects in a room cannot evolve in a way that biological organisms do. Really you're not comparing like to like here. The argument you're presenting has been made before by Kurt Cameron and is addressed in detail in this video that explains it far better than I ever could:

[youtube]v8nYTJf62sE[/youtube]

Response: But how do you know where emotions derive from without seeing them? And can a room which is beautifully designed without intelligence?
 

bossbozz

Member
I'm not sure where the role of an interior designer comes into any of this?

Really your ignorance is proof enough that you were not designed by any divine being! You cant see emotions, what you feel is a result of brain chemistry. Take a shot of adrenaline and you'll feel exhilarated. Take MDMA and you'll feel love and empathy as a result of the serotonin and dopamine whizzing around your brain... and then the next day you'll feel depressed from the lack of these chemicals.

Why ask a question if you are not willing to listen to the answer?

Watch the video, you may actually learn something!
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure where the role of an interior designer comes into any of this?

Really your ignorance is proof enough that you were not designed by any divine being! You cant see emotions, what you feel is a result of brain chemistry. Take a shot of adrenaline and you'll feel exhilarated. Take MDMA and you'll feel love and empathy as a result of the serotonin and dopamine whizzing around your brain... and then the next day you'll feel depressed from the lack of these chemicals.

Why ask a question if you are not willing to listen to the answer?

Watch the video, you may actually learn something!

Response: Your inability to answer the simple question demonstrates where the ignorance stems from. Try having an open mind and maybe you'll actually learn something.
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
Response: Your inability to answer the simple question demonstrates where the ignorance stems from.

So...answer the question I've now posted to you twice now.

To claim that intelligence can only be caused by intelligence immediately begs the question: What intelligence caused god?
 
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