The Atheist Contradiction and Reasoning

[Fatihah]

So far, atheists have acknowledged that emotions can not be seen, but acknowledge that they exists, thus demonstrating that one does not have to see something as proof that it exists. Thus the ability not to see Allah(God) is not proof that Allah(God) doesn't exist.

As for intelligent design, all have dodged whether the mona lisa can be designed without intelligence, or how a pattern which repeats itself can be designed without intelligence.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

So far, atheists have acknowledged that emotions can not be seen, but acknowledge that they exists, thus demonstrating that one does not have to see something as proof that it exists. Thus the ability not to see Allah(God) is not proof that Allah(God) doesn't exist.

As for intelligent design, all have dodged whether the mona lisa can be designed without intelligence, or how a pattern which repeats itself can be designed without intelligence.

So, for the fourth time, what intelligence caused god???

 

[Fatihah]

A biological life-form is a pattern that repeats itself over time without an intelligence behind it.

Some people use the word "designed" to mean implicitly that there is an intelligence behind patterning; but in the larger picture "patterning" is an observation.
"Look, it happened again! *snap* ...and again! ...and again!" Isn't that neat.

Patterns are not made by the maker, be it nature or "God". We make them, the observer. We see patterns not because they are there, but because we see.

Response: Then can you explain how a patttern which repeats itself can develop without intelligence? Can yoy create a pattern which repeats itself without intelligence? If so, how?

 

[bossbozz]

Response: And how can a pattern be designed to repeat itself without intelligence? Can you create a pattern which repeats itself without using intelligence? If so, what?

Primordial Chemistry

• Hydrogen cyanide and ammonia combine to create adenine.
• Add ribose sugars and phosphates to create a nucleotide
• Nucleotides then form together in chains to create poly-nucleotides
• Some of these chains form together to create ribo nucleic acid (RNA)
• RNA is able to replicate itself

No intelligence required

 

[Fatihah]

So, for the last time, what intelligence caused god???

Response: Doesn't answer the question. If you want to know of islamor my religion, you can start a thread.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Response: Doesn't answer the question. If you want to know of islamor my religion, you can start a thread.

If you can't answer the question then just admit it so we can move on.

Edit: Besides, you didn't even pose a question. You made a claim. "Intelligence can only come from an intelligent designer." If that is so, then what intelligence caused god?

 

[Fatihah]

Primordial Chemistry

• Hydrogen cyanide and ammonia combine to create adenine.
• Add ribose sugars and phosphates to create a nucleotide
• Nucleotides then form together in chains to create poly-nucleotides
• Some of these chains form together to create ribo nucleic acid (RNA)
• RNA is able to replicate itself

No intelligence required

Response: Once again, you've beautifully dodged the question.

 

[Fatihah]

If you can't answer the question then just admit it so we can move on.

Response: Likewise.

 

[bossbozz]

So far, atheists have acknowledged that emotions can not be seen, but acknowledge that they exists, thus demonstrating that one does not have to see something as proof that it exists. Thus the ability not to see Allah(God) is not proof that Allah(God) doesn't exist.

As for intelligent design, all have dodged whether the mona lisa can be designed without intelligence, or how a pattern which repeats itself can be designed without intelligence.

That's quite a leap of faith. The existence of emotions does not prove the existence of a god just because they are both invisible. One could use the same logic to prove the existence of the flying spaghetti monster, invisible dragons and the tooth fairy. My nephew has an invisible friend, does this mean that he is real too?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Response: Likewise.

You didn't pose a question. You made a claim. "Intelligence can only come from an intelligent designer." If that is so, then what intelligence caused god?

 

[bossbozz]

Response: Once again, you've beautifully dodged the question.

No I haven't, you asked me can I explain how a pattern which repeats itself can develop without intelligence?

This is how self replicating RNA can be formed from simple chemistry by itself without the need for any intelligence. RNA is the basis of DNA which is the basis of all life. Intelligence comes much later when cells have formed to create complex organs like brains.

Chemistry comes first - intelligence is many billion years later.

 

[Fatihah]

That's quite a leap of faith. The existence of emotions does not prove the existence of a god just because they are both invisible. One could use the same logic to prove the existence of the flying spaghetti monster, invisible dragons and the tooth fairy. My nephew has an invisible friend, does this mean that he is real too?

Response: I never claimed that the existence of emotions prove the existence of God, thus your point has no relevance.

 

[Fatihah]

No I haven't, you asked me can I explain how a pattern which repeats itself can develop without intelligence?

This is how self replicating RNA can be formed from simple chemistry by itself without the need for any intelligence. RNA is the basis of DNA which is the basis of all life. Intelligence comes much later when cells have formed to create complex organs like brains.

Chemistry comes first - intelligence is many billion years later.

Response: None to which explains how a pattern which repeats itself is developed without intelligence.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Fatihah: Welcome to my ignore list

 

[Willamena]

As for intelligent design, all have dodged whether the mona lisa can be designed without intelligence, or how a pattern which repeats itself can be designed without intelligence.

A "pattern which repeats itself" is by definition designed without intelligence. Nothing repeats it but itself.

(There. Maybe that's the right answer.)

 

[The_Evelyonian]

(There. Maybe that's the right answer.)

Don't bet on it.

 

[bossbozz]

Response: None to which explains how a pattern which repeats itself is developed without intelligence.

I can see your having a real hard time understanding this but it replicates ITSELF!

Maybe chemistry isn't your strong point?

Intelligence comes from the brain, a complex organ made of cells. Cells replicate because of DNA. Without RNA their would be no DNA. Without DNA there would be no brains to become intelligent and self aware. Intelligence wouldn't exist.

You have it all backwards by saying that intelligence must exist first.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Fatahah;

Well, I can see that you have received a multitude of reasonable answers to your initial questions from the OP.
I can also see that you intended from the beginning to not accept any of the answers you received.
So why even ask in the first place?

 

[Autodidact]

Response: And if emotions can be observed in the brain, then what do they look like. What's the color of sadness? Since you claim you can see it, you should know.

Read my answer again.

Secondly, how does the law of physics develop something, but doesn't design it? That makes no sense. Name anything that exist that has no design? You're playing with words. It's like saying the man isn't fast, he's quick. It makes no sense, it being the same thing.

Snowflakes.

Well, if you want to say that nature "designs" things using the laws of physics, I don't have a problem with that. I don't think that's the most accurate way to think of it, myself.

 

[logician]

If you were to ask an atheist about how the universe, life itself, and all that exists came to be, the answer would be scientific. Scientific study requires a key element, observation. And after extensive study through observation, atheists conclude that there is no God, or rather, there is no proof that God exist. Thus they conclude, through scientific study and observation, the origin of the universe, life itself, and all that exist. This being the case, how does an atheist view emotions? Love, happiness, sadness, laughter, etc. Where are these emotions derived from? What is it's origin? For if we look through a microscope, we can see atoms, microorganisms, etc. But you can not see sadness. Or happiness. Or love. So where do these emotions originate from and derive from, if not the human soul? And how do you know where it's derived from, if you can't see it? This alone should demonstrate that it's origin and where emotions are derived from is not visible as well, thus the human soul. Many atheists say that there is no proof of God because no one can see God. Yet they have no delay in accepting that humans have emotions, yet they can not look inside any body and see emotions. A contradiction. How do atheists explain this?

Then, the atheist denies the idea of intelligent design. That the beautiful design, perfect detail, and consistancy in which things were created was not done by intelligent design. In other words, it was done by chance. Let's look deeper. When you walk into a room, and see things placed and organized in a nice manner, do you accept that it happened by chance? That something beautifully organized and arranged, can be created without intelligence? Take the Mona Lisa painting for example. Do you believe it possible to create the Mina Lisa by chance? That someone can throw or splatter paint on paper, and the end result can be a beautiful piece of art work like the Mina Lisa? Or would it be more reasonable to believe that the Mona Lisa was created by intelligent design?Do you accept that something by chance or unintelligence, can create something intelligent? Is it not more logical, that something made of intelligence can only be created by intelligence? Thus the intelligence and conformity in the creation of the universe, life itself, and all that exists, had to be created by intelligent design?

You disprove you own argument, because a supposed god, the most intelligent thing in the multiverse, must not have been created by intelligent design by definition.

POOF!