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The Atheist is wasting his life

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history. All scholars of comparative religion, regardless of their own religious backgrounds, agree that religious belief is a natural human condition. They differ, however about its origins.

Prophets were sent, to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in Allah and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by Allah. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong. Consequently, every soul will be held to account for its belief in Allah and its acceptance of the religion.

On the other hand, it is the Atheist who is wasting his life. His life has no purpose but temporary enjoyment. But such enjoyment is always tempered by nagging doubts about whether or not life is heading in the right direction. It is the believer who lives in quiet confidence that God's promise is true.

Well being the fact that any portrayed god and its qualities solely comes from the lips of men and women as well as that produced in their writing of which comes from no other source anywhere, reinforces the facts as they are directly, and certainly does not affect any one's sense of purpose and direction in the least. -NM-
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Ok, I will come back to the point, I mean any atheists, in their endeavor try to find alternatives to God for explaining the existence of the temporal things we see around us, invent some imaginary entities and give them some of the essential attributes of God.

No, I don't.

They say in a misleading way that they believe in God; but on inspection, their god turns out to be the god of the atheists.
Haha.

I am referring here to people like Einstein, who is said by some to have been a believer, but whose god was in fact not God the Creator in whom we all believe. Einstein declared that he believed in “Spinoza’s god,” i.e. in a god that is identical with the universe, and who does not thus interfere from outside in its working.
I don't believe any of that gibberish neither.

“The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation, “says Einstein, “cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events.” [Quoted by Hans Kung, Does God Exist? Vantage Books, 1981, p. 629]
Yup, I too have 'entertained' myself. Too bad, I instantly recognize my own inability to do anything other than speculate.

Being rational means being a moral thinker.
No, it doesn't.

Being a moral thinker means believing in God.
No, it doesn't.

Only the irrational disbelieve.
At least we don't go around spewing the nonsense you just did in the previous two sentences.

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God.
'Those who have taken upon them to lay down the law of nature as a thing already searched out and understood, whether they have spoken in simple assurance or professional affectation, have therein done philosophy and the sciences great injury.' - Bacon

Bacon is so annoying.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Being rational means being a moral thinker.
It does? What, exactly, does morality have to do with rationality?

Being a moral thinker means believing in God.
It does? So one who does not believe in god cannot be considered to be a moral person? :facepalm:

Only the irrational disbelieve.
If your thinking is the example of rationality, then I will, quite happily, remain "irrational". It's odd how many theists use words in an Orwellian sense.

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God.
Scientists don't dwell on the question of god. That is not what science is all about. On the other side of the equation, it's not like theists are making much headway proving the existence of god - especially in light of your own amusing viewpoints. If anything, you are demonstrating that people who believe as you do can safely be described as intellectually bankrupt.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
The natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history. All scholars of comparative religion, regardless of their own religious backgrounds, agree that religious belief is a natural human condition. They differ, however about its origins.

Prophets were sent, to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in Allah and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by Allah. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong. Consequently, every soul will be held to account for its belief in Allah and its acceptance of the religion.

On the other hand, it is the Atheist who is wasting his life. His life has no purpose but temporary enjoyment. But such enjoyment is always tempered by nagging doubts about whether or not life is heading in the right direction. It is the believer who lives in quiet confidence that God's promise is true.

i wouldn't say it's a natural inclination to believe in a religious faith. because religion was made up by our inability to come to terms with our shortcomings

what is natural is to ask questions and to search. when we stop searching is when we stagnate and progress suffers.
to think you may have peace, which is very questionable, through religion so EVERYONE else without religion is wasting their time? sounds to me like you have control issues which is an indication that you are not living "in quiet confidence that God's promise is true"

religion is dangerous my friend, because it gives power to the few over the many... throughout history religion has caused a lot of harm, especially in dealing with human rights...
live and let live is what i say, when i have a problem with religion is when the religious become the self appointed mediator between my rights and their interpretation of the will of their god...
if your god was that insecure in the first place then perhaps the god you believe in is just a reflection of yourself
 

AxisMundi

E Pluribus Unum!!!
The natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history. All scholars of comparative religion, regardless of their own religious backgrounds, agree that religious belief is a natural human condition. They differ, however about its origins.

Prophets were sent, to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in Allah and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by Allah. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong. Consequently, every soul will be held to account for its belief in Allah and its acceptance of the religion.

On the other hand, it is the Atheist who is wasting his life. His life has no purpose but temporary enjoyment. But such enjoyment is always tempered by nagging doubts about whether or not life is heading in the right direction. It is the believer who lives in quiet confidence that God's promise is true.

You lost this debate in your second sentance above, I'm afraid.
 

DeitySlayer

President of Chindia
All Buddhists are atheist as well. Are you saying the Dalai Lama is, and I quote, "wasting his life. His life has no purpose but temporary enjoyment. But such enjoyment is always tempered by nagging doubts about whether or not life is heading in the right direction."
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
The natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history. All scholars of comparative religion, regardless of their own religious backgrounds, agree that religious belief is a natural human condition. They differ, however about its origins.

I think its called filling in the gaps

Prophets were sent, to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in Allah and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by Allah. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong. Consequently, every soul will be held to account for its belief in Allah and its acceptance of the religion.

Great Britain has never been visited by a Prophet

On the other hand, it is the Atheist who is wasting his life. His life has no purpose but temporary enjoyment. But such enjoyment is always tempered by nagging doubts about whether or not life is heading in the right direction. It is the believer who lives in quiet confidence that God's promise is true.

This sounds like "Reefer madness"
 

jmvizanko

Uber Tool
On the other hand, it is the Atheist who is wasting his life. His life has no purpose but temporary enjoyment. But such enjoyment is always tempered by nagging doubts about whether or not life is heading in the right direction. It is the believer who lives in quiet confidence that God's promise is true.

Could you please make the case for why what you believe gives your life any more purpose or happiness than mine, since I've never heard any theist ever actually put a good case for this forward? I surely am trying to live a happy life, but unlike what you only think all atheists have going for them, I also am trying to leave the world a better place. How is that different than anything about your life, other than you think that at the end of it all, you are going to be whisked away to paradise? Personally, the thought of that would bring me more saddness than happiness if it required that I also believed many good souls were going to hell. Plus I feel like without the boring direction to pray etc from a god actually gives me more freedom to craft my own life purpose, and I suffer from no existential crisis.
 

AxisMundi

E Pluribus Unum!!!
It is a sad thing, people that need religion to either live a happy life, and/or to live "morally".
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I wonder...do believers who think atheists are wasting their lives, also think
that worshipers of the wrong gods or entities are also wasting their lives?
 

Smoke

Done here.
If what you wrote is valid, why Islam still remain the fastest-growing religion in America
It's not. Even if it were, that would be a ****-poor argument for being a Muslim.

Famous people are affected too:

Singer "Cat Stevens" Oh, baby, baby it's a wild world

Michael Jackson Confirms Conversion to Islam
Yeah, those are two people I want to be like. :rolleyes:
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
The natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history. All scholars of comparative religion, regardless of their own religious backgrounds, agree that religious belief is a natural human condition. They differ, however about its origins.

Prophets were sent, to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in Allah and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by Allah. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong. Consequently, every soul will be held to account for its belief in Allah and its acceptance of the religion.

On the other hand, it is the Atheist who is wasting his life. His life has no purpose but temporary enjoyment. But such enjoyment is always tempered by nagging doubts about whether or not life is heading in the right direction. It is the believer who lives in quiet confidence that God's promise is true.

The only nagging doubt I have is about man's self-imposed elevated status.
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
The natural inclination for religious faith is an integral part of the human essence. This is an indisputable fact of history. All scholars of comparative religion, regardless of their own religious backgrounds, agree that religious belief is a natural human condition. They differ, however about its origins.

Has it occurred to you that it isn't just religious superstition that mankind has a tendancy towards? Look at all the pseudosciences, pseudohistories, and generally irrational beliefs mankind has developed across the planet. There are so many superstitious beliefs that you probably couldn't fit all of them in a series of encyclopediae. (Did I say that right? Encyclopediae? :p)

As Sagan pointed out, rational thinking may actually be an exception to the general rule of irrational thought. Most human beings don't start thinking rationally until they've learned how to do so -- it's a learned behavior, not an inherent one. It really shouldn't come as a surprise that Homo sapiens is rife with irrational beliefs.

Prophets were sent, to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in Allah and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by Allah. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong. Consequently, every soul will be held to account for its belief in Allah and its acceptance of the religion.

Why is it rational to think that a powerful being such as a god would use such an unreliable method as "prophets?" Even you admit that the method is unreliable by pointing out that there are distortions in prophetic messages.

Why does a person's religion seem to have a lot to do with where they're born and what religion their parents are? It certainly isn't always the case, but there's something alarming about the fact that most people are raised into their parents' (or at least predominant cultures') religion and then go right on believing that they're right and everyone else is wrong.

Is choosing the right god simply a matter of lottery; are you very lucky to arrive at the right god if it isn't the predominantly worshipped god of your culture?! Why would a powerful being like a god allow such ridiculous circumstances?

It makes more sense to me that religion, much like fashion and language, spread through cultural diffusion -- not through divine inspiration. If it looks likea duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. That being said, any "god" that relies on cultural diffusion to "get the truth out" is hardly worth worshipping for using such a grotesquely inefficient method and leaving billions in the dust.

On the other hand, it is the Atheist who is wasting his life. His life has no purpose but temporary enjoyment. But such enjoyment is always tempered by nagging doubts about whether or not life is heading in the right direction. It is the believer who lives in quiet confidence that God's promise is true.

Rather, in many cases theists are using a crutch to ignore the realities of the world as it is.

This world is indeed full of foul and intolerable things. If anything the atheist has more drive to succeed in life because they don't believe there's an invisible "safety net" or "invisible hand" that will set things aright -- if we are to make this world a better place it's up to us to do it. I find that meaningful; and if striving to leave this world a better place when we expire than when we entered it is thought "meaningless" to some theists then I'm glad not to be among them.

It's sad that there is a stereotype of atheists as depressed or hopeless when that's anything but the case. We have the most cause to be happy -- we get to proudly say when humans do something right that "We did that, we worked together and we accomplished that!" We have the most cause to be hopeful -- the future may be uncertain but the unquenchable vivaciousness of the human attitude drives us onward to stamp out injustice, to pave the way for the next generation, to reach out to the very stars that civilizations have stared helplessly at for thousands of years.

After all, if we're on our own in this universe -- if we don't work towards it, nobody will. We can't sit around waiting for miracles.
 
On the other hand, it is the Atheist who is wasting his life. His life has no purpose but temporary enjoyment. But such enjoyment is always tempered by nagging doubts about whether or not life is heading in the right direction. It is the believer who lives in quiet confidence that God's promise is true.
Interesting. These men and women all wasted their lives?

Atheist on Vimeo
 

dwdw2400

New Member
Eliot,

Just read this and your understanding will be different. You will find all answers to your inquiries.

Quran

An-Nahl (no 16)

(35) The worshippers of false gods say: "If Allah had so willed, we should not have worshipped aught but Him - neither we nor our fathers, - nor should we have prescribed prohibitions other than His." So did those who went before them. But what is the mission of Messengers but to preach the Clear Message?


For We assuredly sent amongst every People a Messenger, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the people were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom Error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).


If thou art anxious for their guidance, yet Allah guideth not such as He leaves to stray. And there is none to help them.



Quran

Al-Baqarah (The Cow) (no 2)

(213) Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth, to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; but the People of the Book, after the Clear Signs came to them, did not differ among themselves, except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace guided the Believers to the Truth, concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guides whom He will to a path that is straight.


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Quran
An-Nisaa (4)



(163) We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Nuh and the Messengers after him: We sent inspiration to Ibrahim, Isma'il, Ishaq, Ya'qub, and the Tribes, to 'Isa, Ayyub, Yunus, Harun, and Sulaiman, and to Dawud We gave the Psalms.

Of some Messenger We have already told thee the story; of others We have not, and to Musa Allah spoke direct.

Messengers who gave good news as well as warning, that mankind, after (the coming) of the Messengers, should have no plea against Allah: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.


O mankind! the Messenger hath come to you in truth from Allah: believe in him; it is best for you. But if ye rejected Faith, to Allah belong all things in the heavens and on earth: and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

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Quran
Al-Kahf (no 18)

(54)we have explained in detail in this Qur-an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious.

And what is there to keep back men from believing, now that guidance has come to them, nor from praying for forgiveness from their Lord, but that (they ask that) the ways of the ancients be repeated with them, or the Wrath be brought to them face to face?

We only send the Messengers to give glad tidings and to give warnings: but the Unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the Truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned!

And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent forth? Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness. If thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.

But your Lord is Most Forgiving, Full of Mercy. If He were to call them (at once) to account for what they have earned, then surely He would have hastened their Punishment: but they have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.


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Quran

Al-Hajj (no 22)



(8) Yet there is among men such a one as disputes about Allah, without knowledge, without guidance, and without a Book of Enlightenment,


There are among men some who serve Allah, as it were, on the verge: if good befalls them, they are, therewith, well content; but if a trial comes to them, they turn on their faces; they lose both this world and the Hereafter: that is loss for all to see!


They call on such deities, besides Allah, as can neither hurt nor profit them: that is straying far indeed (from the Way)!


(Perhaps) they call on one whose hurt is nearer than his profit: evil, indeed, is the patron, and evil the companion (for help)!
 

dwdw2400

New Member
I will repeat what i wrote before, the child submits to the physical laws which Allah has put in nature, his soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allah is his Lord and Creator. But, his parents try to make him follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of his life to resist or oppose the will of his parents.

The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allah does not hold him to account or punish him for this religion.

Throughout people's lives from childhood until the time they die, signs are shown to them in all regions of the earth and in their own souls, until it becomes clear that there is only one true God (Allah).

If the people are honest with themselves, reject their false gods and seek Allah, the way will be made easy for them but if they continually reject Allah's signs and continue to worship creation, the more difficult it will be for them to escape. For example, in the South Eastern region of the Amazon jungle in Brazil, South America, a primitive tribe erected a new hut to house their main idol Skwatch, representing the supreme God of all creation. The homage to the God, and while he was in prostration to what he had been taught was his Creator and Sustainer, a mangy old flea-ridden dog walked into the hut, The young man looked up in time to see the dog lift its hind leg and pass urine on the idol. Outraged, the youth chased the dog out of the temple, but when his rage died down he realized that the idol could not be the Lordof the universe.

Allah must be elsewhere. he now had a choice to act on his knowledge and seek Allah, or to dishonestly go along with the false beliefs of his tribe. As strange as it may seem, that was a sign from Allah for that young man. It contained within it divine guidance that what he was worshipping was false.

Prophets were sent, to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in Allah and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by Allah. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong. For example, the ten commandments of the Torah, their confirmation in the Gospels and the existence of laws against murder, stealing and adultery in most societies.

Consequently, every soul will be held to account for its belief in Allah and its acceptance of the religion of Islam; the total submission to the will of Allah.
 

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
To me life is all too temporary, since I believe that on both sides of it are eons of mindnumbingly cold boring nothingness. I have great respect for this temporary life and try to make the most of the fleeting glint of the universes eye the represents my life, but I would like to leave it a better place than when I arrived.

Cheers
 

Smoke

Done here.
To me life is all too temporary, since I believe that on both sides of it are eons of mindnumbingly cold boring nothingness. I have great respect for this temporary life and try to make the most of the fleeting glint of the universes eye the represents my life, but I would like to leave it a better place than when I arrived.
That's because you're not a retard or a believer. Sorry for repeating myself.
 
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