The battle of evolution vs creationism

[idav]

Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, fish produce fish.

So did the dog or the cat produce the hyena? It works that way cause your using a current catalog. A hundred million years ago you dont find dog cat human you see the mammal common ancestry that lived among dinos.

 

[gnostic]

Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, fish produce fish. Anything beyond this is to deny reality and resort to some fantasy Alice in Wonderland nonsense.

Nonsenses, like a talking serpent in Genesis 3 and the talking donkey in Numbers 22.

That's the reality you believe in, then the nature of evolution?

Both stories - of Eden and of Balaam - are fables.

You do understand what "fable" is, don't you?

It is a story, like the ones that Jesus tell of (his parables), to teach a moral lesson, but in which an animal(s) have a role to play. The creature have been anthropomorphised, with human-like behaviour/personality and the ability to speak, and in some cases, to imparts wisdom.

Sorry, but if I want facts, then I would go with the study of nature or science over the bible, any day of the week.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

So did the dog or the cat produce the hyena?

I don't know. Probably neither. That would be good for scientific inquiry.

It works that way cause your using a current catalog. A hundred million years ago you dont find dog cat human you see the mammal common ancestry that lived among dinos.

That is the theory, but that isn't the observation.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Yes we know you refuse facts and education, and knowledge.


Do you think it is logical or reasonable to make statements like that about the institutions that teach higher learning to the whole world in every single educated country this world has?

What qualifications do you have to make such weak unsubstantiated opinions ?


Do you think willful ignorance should be taught instead of credible knowledge in colleges worldwide?

Dogs produce dogs, outhouse. Have you ever observed anything beyond this in your years?? No. So why think that you would have observed such a thing 150 million years ago?

 

[idav]

I don't know. Probably neither. That would be good for scientific inquiry.



That is the theory, but that isn't the observation.

They say hyenas are closer related to cats even so they look more like dogs.

Is is more than theory, it is what all the old earth evidence suggests. Back in dino days, mammals wer like the size of cats until the dinos finally got out of our way approx 65 million years ago and mammals have flourished ever since, via common ancestry.

 

[idav]

Dogs produce dogs, outhouse. Have you ever observed anything beyond this in your years?? No. So why think that you would have observed such a thing 150 million years ago?

As much as I woukd like video evidence, we have to work with what we have. Maybe some video of how god managed to make the earth appear older making it look like we have common ancestors. People arent dumb we go by the evidence, evidence that young earthers prefer to ignore.

 

[Iti oj]

They say hyenas are closer related to cats even so they look more like dogs.

Is is more than theory, it is what all the old earth evidence suggests. Back in dino days, mammals wer like the size of cats until the dinos finally got out of our way approx 65 million years ago and mammals have flourished ever since, via common ancestry.

and foxs look like cats but their more related to dogs.

 

[outhouse]

Dogs produce dogs, outhouse. Have you ever observed anything beyond this in your years?? No. So why think that you would have observed such a thing 150 million years ago?

Facts you have no control over, that are taught as higher learning in every credible university world wide.

The question is, what do you have outside mythology?

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We, the undersigned Academies of Sciences, have learned that in various parts of the world, within science courses taught in certain public systems of education, scientific evidence, data, and testable theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied, or confused with theories not testable by science. We urge decision makers, teachers, and parents to educate all children about the methods and discoveries of science and to foster an understanding of the science of nature. Knowledge of the natural world in which they live empowers people to meet human needs and protect the planet.

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Glad to hear that at least. Now how about the fact that ERVs are more than 99.9% similar between humans and chimpanzees, the presence of human body hair with piloerectile muscles, the thousands of broken olfactory genes in dolphins, the dolphin with the hind flippers, the finger bones/fingernails in manatees, nylonase and AZT-resistance in HIV? Take your time. I can wait.

Um, what is the question?

EDIT: Ah yes, one more thing. A study was done with an HIV-infected patient cataloging the amount that the virus changed over a period of 7 years. The viruses at the end of the 7-year period were almost 8% different in terms of their nucleotide content than those sampled at the beginning. By comparison, humans and chimpanzees are only 2% different. So there you have an observable example of large genetic change over time (indeed, since creationists consider humans and chimps to be different "kinds", then these viruses would have evolved sufficiently to be considered having changed "kinds").

Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, turtles produce turtles.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Facts you have no control over, that are taught as higher learning in every credible university world wide.

The question is, what do you have outside mythology?

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We, the undersigned Academies of Sciences, have learned that in various parts of the world, within science courses taught in certain public systems of education, scientific evidence, data, and testable theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied, or confused with theories not testable by science. We urge decision makers, teachers, and parents to educate all children about the methods and discoveries of science and to foster an understanding of the science of nature. Knowledge of the natural world in which they live empowers people to meet human needs and protect the planet.

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

I believed I asked a question.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

and foxs look like cats but their more related to dogs.

A fox looks like a dog to me, but hey, to each his own.

 

[idav]

A fox looks like a dog to me, but hey, to each his own.

Way to miss the point.

 

[outhouse]

I believed I asked a question.

You refuse to answer mine, because you have no real credible answer


thus you refuse to debate. This means you don't get to ask questions.


Try refuting facts first, that is how a debate goes.


The sooner you realize the reality of the situation, that evolution is fact, the sooner you will quit embarrassing yourself in public.

 

[outhouse]

The question is, what do you have outside mythology as a replacement hypothesis????????????????????????????????? I supply facts, while you dodge them anyway you can

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We, the undersigned Academies of Sciences, have learned that in various parts of the world, within science courses taught in certain public systems of education, scientific evidence, data, and testable theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied, or confused with theories not testable by science. We urge decision makers, teachers, and parents to educate all children about the methods and discoveries of science and to foster an understanding of the science of nature. Knowledge of the natural world in which they live empowers people to meet human needs and protect the planet.

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[outhouse]

Have you ever observed anything beyond this in your years?? No.

Your argument is one of complete ignorance of biology.

And you don't have the right to answer questions for me, who do you think you are?


Yes I have observed a coyote give birth to a dog, so now that you have been proven wrong again, we will need more then your uneducated opinion that carries no credibility.

Supply sources for your unsubstantiated mythological view.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Nonsenses, like a talking serpent in Genesis 3 and the talking donkey in Numbers 22.

These are things that happened within the domain of an Almighty God. If God exist, then causing a donkey to talk is child's play to him. Piece of cake.

That's the reality you believe in, then the nature of evolution?

There is more evidence for my reality than there is for yours...and my reality isn't science...but yours is. So therefore, I expect to see observational evidence supporting your theory, but I don't..and neither do you.

Both stories - of Eden and of Balaam - are fables.

The story involving the Garden of Eden is a fable based on what? A nonbeliever who doesn't believe in the bible?

You do understand what "fable" is, don't you?

You do understand what it means to lie to students in the text books, don't you?

It is a story, like the ones that Jesus tell of (his parables), to teach a moral lesson, but in which an animal(s) have a role to play. The creature have been anthropomorphised, with human-like behaviour/personality and the ability to speak, and in some cases, to imparts wisdom.

So if you believe that Jesus told parables in the bible, you should also believe that Jesus rose from the dead, because that is from the bible also. The bible tells us that Jesus told parables and that he was crucified, buried, Resurrected, and was seen by believers and skeptics alike. So either we are going to use the bible in its entirety, or not use it at all.

Sorry, but if I want facts, then I would go with the study of nature or science over the bible, any day of the week.

Um, the bible isn't a scientific book, although coincidently, it does provide us with the first reference of an expanding universe that we've seen in ANY ancient book. While the scientists that you love like Galileo, Newton, and Einstein were telling us that the universe is static and eternal...the prophets that I love like Moses and Isaiah were telling us that not only is the universe finite and had a beginning (Genesis 1:1), but it is expanding (Isaiah 40:22).

When I want to know about how the universe works, I will pick up a text book (and hope I am not being lied to), but when I need an adaquate answer on the absolute origins of the universe.....bible.

 

[outhouse]

You do understand what it means to lie to students in the text books

.

Sources please.

Provide sources that text books are not accurate.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Your argument is one of complete ignorance of biology.

So biology goes beyond the observation that dogs will only produce dogs, and cats will only produce cats?

And you don't have the right to answer questions for me, who do you think you are?

Lol man please

Yes I have observed a coyote give birth to a dog

And a coyote isn't a dog, right? Foolishness.

, so now that you have been proven wrong again, we will need more then your uneducated opinion that carries no credibility.

Supply sources for your unsubstantiated mythological view.

Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, frogs produce frogs. You can get as mad as you want to, but there are no exceptions to the rule that you've seen.

 

[outhouse]

The story involving the Garden of Eden is a fable based on what? A nonbeliever who doesn't believe in the bible?



.

Based on previous mythology in Mesopotamian cultures that existed long before any Israelite existed.


It is fact Israelites did not exist before 1200 BC [Israel Finklestein]

 

[outhouse]

So biology goes beyond the observation that dogs will only produce dogs, and cats will only produce cats?



Lol man please



And a coyote isn't a dog, right? Foolishness.



Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, frogs produce frogs. You can get as mad as you want to, but there are no exceptions to the rule that you've seen.

Communicating with you is a utter waist of time watching you dance around facts with unsubstantiated personal opinion that carries no credibility anywhere.

The question is, what do you have outside mythology as a replacement hypothesis????????????????????????????????? I supply facts, while you dodge them anyway you can

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We, the undersigned Academies of Sciences, have learned that in various parts of the world, within science courses taught in certain public systems of education, scientific evidence, data, and testable theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied, or confused with theories not testable by science. We urge decision makers, teachers, and parents to educate all children about the methods and discoveries of science and to foster an understanding of the science of nature. Knowledge of the natural world in which they live empowers people to meet human needs and protect the planet.

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.