The battle of evolution vs creationism

[Ouroboros]

Where did they keep all this preserved food?

And depending on method, it would take different amount of space, and it would be sensitive to spoilage still depending on how. Dried food can't be rehydrated without some of it getting moldy. Salt requires barrels, and huge amount of salt. Maybe they had all dried food and plastic wraps?

Remember, there had to be enough food for not only the people, but for the animals.

And sunlight, nutrition, and water for plants. Most of the seeds would be deep, deep down under all the mud. It won't magically come back to the surface. No, wait, maybe it was magic?

They were on the Ark for how long?

When I did my estimate in my teenage years (based on calendar and whatnot), it was at least 9 months (but I could be wrong). I saw somewhere someone estimated it to 370 days, that's more than a year.

And then we have to figure in the amount of time for the vegetation to grow back...

If you plant in spring, it takes anything from a few days (herbs etc) to months (berries) and years (fruits). And then rabbits have to reproduce enough to feed the lions and wolves. And I wonder about earthworms, flies, bees, hummingbirds, and more for pollination. Besides, some trees require two, like avocado. You can't just plant one. Did Noah bring two of each tree of that kind? I could be wrong about these things, but it sounds rather complicated for a small family to pull this project off.

So that is an awful lot of food they not only had to preserve, but also store.

And fresh water... maybe they had their own water sanitation system on the ark too? He built that from some planks of gofer wood (or whatever it was called)?

 

[Parsimony]

Where did they keep all this preserved food?
Remember, there had to be enough food for not only the people, but for the animals.
They were on the Ark for how long?
And then we have to figure in the amount of time for the vegetation to grow back...

So that is an awful lot of food they not only had to preserve, but also store.

Precisely. It's for reasons like this that I don't take the global flood thing literally. The issue of vitamin C is minor compared to things like this.

 

[Parsimony]

I apologize for the double post, but I just learned of another compelling piece of evidence in favor of evolution.

Dolphins have no sense of smell. This makes plenty of sense because they spend their entire life in the water but must breathe air. They couldn't take a whiff of the water without strangling. Detecting smells in the air would be pointless as all of their prey lives underwater. That's okay though, since they get by just fine without having to smell (echolocation and sight work plenty well for detect of predator and prey alike). If dolphins were a product of special creation, we would then expect that they have no genes present that code for the ability to smell (olfaction).

Guess what? It turns out that dolphins actually have hundreds of olfactory genes which are mutated into uselessness. This raises an obvious question: why would God design such completely useless genes into the dolphin? Under evolution, this is very easy to explain as dolphins are descended from land mammals which did have a use for a sense of smell.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I apologize for the double post, but I just learned of another compelling piece of evidence in favor of evolution.

Dolphins have no sense of smell. This makes plenty of sense because they spend their entire life in the water but must breathe air. They couldn't take a whiff of the water without strangling. Detecting smells in the air would be pointless as all of their prey lives underwater. That's okay though, since they get by just fine without having to smell (echolocation and sight work plenty well for detect of predator and prey alike). If dolphins were a product of special creation, we would then expect that they have no genes present that code for the ability to smell (olfaction).

Guess what? It turns out that dolphins actually have hundreds of olfactory genes which are mutated into uselessness. This raises an obvious question: why would God design such completely useless genes into the dolphin? Under evolution, this is very easy to explain as dolphins are descended from land mammals which did have a use for a sense of smell.

This isn't even a unique case. The vast majority of our genes and especially those that make up the differences between species of animals are "turned off". Humans for example have the genes to grow tails, have thumbs on their feet, advanced senses of smell and fur for our whole body. Why would we have those if god made us exactly the way we are now?

The answer is simple. YEC don't seem to give a rats *** about any form of evidence. They don't. They claim to but then simply write off anything that is different than their own supersticious world view.

Or they will go into a rant about how they have "reviewed the evidence" and still find it unconvincing. However they cannot actually provide the evidence that they have considered unsatisfactory or counter evidence that doesn't hold up.

Or its all an atheist conspiracy. Because...you know...all the elite scientists are atheists. Therefore its Satan trying to use their Atheist footsoldiers to get people to believe in evolution.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Or its all an atheist conspiracy. Because...you know...all the elite scientists are atheists. Therefore its Satan trying to use their Atheist footsoldiers to get people to believe in evolution.

I resent that remark. I already told Satan I get to fly a plane, or I'm OUT.

 

[Windwalker]

This raises an obvious question: why would God design such completely useless genes into the dolphin? Under evolution, this is very easy to explain as dolphins are descended from land mammals which did have a use for a sense of smell.

Because like the snake in the Garden of Eden that God cursed and made to crawl on the ground without legs, so too the dolphin, whose sin was worse, God threw them into the ocean cursing them to live underwater and never smell the flowers of the field again. Problem solved.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

This isn't even a unique case. The vast majority of our genes and especially those that make up the differences between species of animals are "turned off". Humans for example have the genes to grow tails, have thumbs on their feet, advanced senses of smell and fur for our whole body. Why would we have those if god made us exactly the way we are now?

The answer is simple. YEC don't seem to give a rats *** about any form of evidence. They don't. They claim to but then simply write off anything that is different than their own supersticious world view.

Or they will go into a rant about how they have "reviewed the evidence" and still find it unconvincing. However they cannot actually provide the evidence that they have considered unsatisfactory or counter evidence that doesn't hold up.

Or its all an atheist conspiracy. Because...you know...all the elite scientists are atheists. Therefore its Satan trying to use their Atheist footsoldiers to get people to believe in evolution.

What I find interesting is that a lot of genetic defects that occur in humans also incur in other animals as well. Like growing extra digits (polydactyl) is found in humans, cats, and chickens. Three creatures that look nothing alike. Albinism is found in all animals is another example.

I don't think you need to disbelieve in God to embrace evolution, but it certainly changes how you think of God.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

What I find interesting is that a lot of genetic defects that occur in humans also incur in other animals as well. Like growing extra digits (polydactyl) is found in humans, cats, and chickens. Three creatures that look nothing alike. Albinism is found in all animals is another example.

I don't think you need to disbelieve in God to embrace evolution, but it certainly changes how you think of God.

I believed in god and evolution for nearly 8 years. I don't really see it as connected to my atheism. If convincing people of evolution was all it took to make people atheists then we could probably eradicate theism in a few generations. However that hasn't happened.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

That is nonsense.

I said dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats....have you ever seen with your own two eyes any exception to this?

It only shows your ignorance to the facts surrounding evolution.

Fish produce fish, ants produce ants, snakes produce snakes.

And what makes it really sad, is YOU have been explained these facts and although you have ZERO evidence to denounce them, you do it anyway

Bears produce bears, spiders produce spiders, birds produce birds.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Actually a tiger can give birth to a liger. And a lion to a Tyon.

I said cats produce cats...a tiger and a lion reproducing is two cats producing a cat.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Careful, because his smoking gun response will sound like "But a liger and a tyon are still CATS. So it's still cats producing cats!!!!!"

Yeah, that was easy.

 

[outhouse]

I said dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats....have you ever seen with your own two eyes any exception to this?



Fish produce fish, ants produce ants, snakes produce snakes.



Bears produce bears, spiders produce spiders, birds produce birds.

So what. That does not discount evolution. That is what evolution states.


Just so you know evolution has been deemed FACT in 2011.


Your version still has not made it out of mythology and into reality as of yet.

 

[Parsimony]

Yeah, that was easy.

And yet you seem to be ignoring all of the evidence that I have posted. I would like to see you refute it.

 

[outhouse]

Yeah, that was easy.

Discounting reason, knowledge and education has always been easy

 

[outhouse]

This is not up for deabte

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We, the undersigned Academies of Sciences, have learned that in various parts of the world, within science courses taught in certain public systems of education, scientific evidence, data, and testable theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied, or confused with theories not testable by science. We urge decision makers, teachers, and parents to educate all children about the methods and discoveries of science and to foster an understanding of the science of nature. Knowledge of the natural world in which they live empowers people to meet human needs and protect the planet.
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

1. In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
2. Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
3. Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
4. Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Windwalker]

Discounting reason, knowledge and education has always been easy

Actually I disagree. It takes its toll on those who do this far more deeply and seriously than it does to face the crisis of having to rethink ones ideas. It creates a deep conflict on every level, spiritually being the highest toll paid. Science denial is God denial.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So what. That does not discount evolution. That is what evolution states.


Just so you know evolution has been deemed FACT in 2011.

Your version still has not made it out of mythology and into reality as of yet.

Just an FYI (Might save some time and energy): I've been 'round and 'round with this person. You're talking to someone who not only doesn't understand evolution in the slightest (despite it being explained SEVERAL times and in several different ways) but is wilfully ignorant on the subject. Just ask him - he told me he stopped reading about evolution when it made him uncomfortable.

 

[Ouroboros]

Here's one thing that bugs me about creation literalists (okay, I'm calling it that now to make sure no theistic evolutionary creationist is included) is the double standard many of them present.

This is how I see many literalist creationists behave:

Respect my religion! Religion is sacred! Evil-utionists don't have the right to criticize my religion!

Evolution is a religion! It takes faith to believe in evil-ution.

I hate evilution! Evolutionists only sing to the flute of the conspiracy magazines who invents and creates frauds. It's a delusion! I can't respect evil-ution.

But...

I still want YOU to respect my religion and my faith and my beliefs!

In reality, literalists won't respect science. I can't respect their literalism until they respect science. Not holding my breath here...

 

[Skwim]

This is not up for deabte

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We, the undersigned Academies of Sciences, have learned that in various parts of the world, within science courses taught in certain public systems of education, scientific evidence, data, and testable theories about the origins and evolution of life on Earth are being concealed, denied, or confused with theories not testable by science. We urge decision makers, teachers, and parents to educate all children about the methods and discoveries of science and to foster an understanding of the science of nature. Knowledge of the natural world in which they live empowers people to meet human needs and protect the planet.
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

1. In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
2. Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
3. Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
4. Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

Not debating your post, but the IAP receives its core funding from the Italian government, the same race of people who run the Mafia---"Cosa Nostra"---need I say more? Of course not!

 

[outhouse]

Not debating your post, but the IAP receives its core funding from the Italian government, the same race of people who run the Mafia---"Cosa Nostra"---need I say more? Of course not!

They also make the Ducati I drive as well as Ferrari's

Which having nothing to do with this topic.


The important thing to take away is in 2011, 68 countries and their science academies have now deemed evolution as FACT