The best thing God did for the human kind.

[Father Heathen]

That's one of the reasons I do not subscribe to the notion of the Trinity.

Still, I have to doubt that a righteous, just and merciful god would require the torture and death of someone just for the sake of personal gratification. Sounds rather narcissistic, petty, sadistic and infantile. I would've expected an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent being to be above such things.

Besides the resurrection trivializes the "sacrifice".

 

[McBell]

Women!

Pfft!
Trampolines....

 

[JTFC]

Well, I believe that the best thing that God did for humanity was give us life. I know that this answer of mine is kind of cut and dry but that's basically the best and most gracious thing that he has done for us. But hey, that's just my opinion. I'm sure that many people have a large quantity of opinions that are waiting to be expressed.

 

[S-word]

Greetings

...Uh...I'll go with the act of sexual intercourse.

That's assuming that God exists, which is a pretty big assumption.

GhK.

Well, assuming that he does, what power does he have? He can send you into such ecstasy, that your greatest desire in life, is to play around in the sewerage system.

 

[zenzero]

Friend BB,

The best thing God did for the human kind.

The best thing was to create humans in his own image and put that developed MIND in humans.
So that he keeps looking for his creator everywhere except WITHIN!
[those who do manage, become Enlightened]

Love & rgds

 

[rusra02]

The ransom became necessary because of the sin of Adam. By disobeying God, Adam gave to his offspring a legacy of sickness, sorrow, pain, and death. (Genesis 2:17; Romans 8:20) God could not yield to sentiment and simply commute the death sentence. To do so would be to ignore his own law: “The wages sin pays is death.” (Romans 6:23) And were Jehovah to invalidate his own standards of justice, then universal chaos and lawlessness would reign.
The ransom is, not a physical exchange, but a legal transaction. By providing for the payment of the ransom, even at enormous cost to himself, Jehovah affirmed his unwavering adherence to his own perfect justice.—Genesis 22:7, 8, 11-13; Hebrews 11:17; James 1:17.
Jehovah arranged to have a perfect man voluntarily sacrifice his life. According to Romans 6:23, “the wages sin pays is death.” In sacrificing his life, the Jesus would “taste death for every man.” In other words, he would pay the wage for Adam’s sin. (Hebrews 2:9; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:24) This would have profound legal consequences. By nullifying the death sentence upon Adam’s obedient offspring, the ransom would cut off the destructive power of sin right at its source.—Romans 5:16.
Thus, it is as John 3:16 says "God loved the world so much he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." What a priceless gift God gave us!

 

[lockyfan]

prove it.
Or at the very least, show where it has been proven.

Seems to me that you are merely making claims that cannot be proven false, therefore you think that means they are true.

Seems to me you are doing the same. Show me where it has been proven beyond a smidgeon of a doubt, that the Evolution theory actually occurred, because that is what it is a theory, not yet proven, though taught as fact so that people will be none the wiser to the end of days and the origin of where this information comes from

Still, I have to doubt that a righteous, just and merciful god would require the torture and death of someone just for the sake of personal gratification. Sounds rather narcissistic, petty, sadistic and infantile. I would've expected an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent being to be above such things.

Besides the resurrection trivializes the "sacrifice".

The sacifice was not for Gods gratification, but so that humans can get what they were supposed to have, but lost through Adam. A perfect life in a paradise, living forever.

Psalms 37:11 tells us
But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

then to continue on from that Psalms 37:29 says
The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
And they will reside forever upon it


The ressurection does not trivialise, but is included in Jehovahs Purpose for the earth, because the people who died will be able to come back to life and share in this paradise

John 5:25-29 says

Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.

Jesus' resurrection was the first, but he is the King of Gods Kingdom, which is to be put on the earth.

Well, assuming that he does, what power does he have? He can send you into such ecstasy, that your greatest desire in life, is to play around in the sewerage system.

Jehovah God has the power to create the universe, there really isnt anythi g he cant do if he wants to o it, it will be done and done sing great wisdom and knowledge

 

[McBell]

Seems to me you are doing the same. Show me where it has been proven beyond a smidgeon of a doubt, that the Evolution theory actually occurred, because that is what it is a theory, not yet proven, though taught as fact so that people will be none the wiser to the end of days and the origin of where this information comes from

Nice try.
But you are not getting out of it by dragging up your off topic ignorance.

Either present evidence that we all family tree back to Adam and Eve, or with draw your blatant lie.

 

[jacobweymouth]

Giving us Nietzsche.

Sure, he was a great guy...

The reason I'd say the sacrifice of His Son on the cross over creation itself is that, without salvation, there's no point to life. Better you've never been born.

 

[invisible chzbrgr]

Again, hope I'm not intruding here, since I do not believe in god. But if I did, I would have to conclude that whatever god did for humanity, he did not do for all humanity.

Humans are miscarried, stillborn, born with spina bifida, brain damage, malnutrition, abusive parents - we cannot say god gave everyone life and knowledge and sex.

Giving up Jesus for our eternal souls - maybe, but one must accept this as a given. God ought to have given us inherent understanding of himself so that this gift could be accepted by everyone.

 

[BucephalusBB]

To be honest, when I made this thread I actually thought it would get stuffed with "love" answers..
How wrong I am.. Appareantly killing ones son is way more valuable..

 

[jacobweymouth]

To be honest, when I made this thread I actually thought it would get stuffed with "love" answers..
How wrong I am.. Appareantly killing ones son is way more valuable..

But that is a love answer.

 

[McBell]

But that is a love answer.

Really?
In this particular instance I do not believe so.

God sends himself to be killed to pay for the sins of man, sins that God himself set up knowing before he set them up that he would have to send himself to be sacrificed in order to pay for the sins he set up in the first place.

Yeah, sounds like a deity I would want to trust....

 

[lockyfan]

Nice try.
But you are not getting out of it by dragging up your off topic ignorance.

Either present evidence that we all family tree back to Adam and Eve, or with draw your blatant lie.

No you provide evidence of the fact that evolution took place. If you can not then you take back the blatent lie

So maybe you are being ignorant?

I can tell you this though, when the people of the world thought that the world was flat, it was the bible that told us well before that theory came out that the world was a "circle"

Please tell me how the human body evolved from goo? to work the way it does, does it not show you that it had to be created with wisdom and great forethought as to how body parts all work together?

Please tell me who was the first two humans who started to procreate so that we would come into existance as we are now?



If you think we evolved from primordial sludge then tell me how humans learnt to procreate? There had to be two beginning parents to start off with

The bible tells us the human body was created from the earth
It tells us that we are alive from the very moment of conception

Please tell me where a scientist can 100% prove that we came from a big pile of goo

 

[GiantHouseKey]

Ah, another YEC. I love you guys like a cat loves mice.

No you provide evidence of the fact that evolution took place. If you can not then you take back the blatent lie

We have plenty of evidence. Not that you'd be interested. We choose to discredit your evidence as you choose to discredit ours. That's literally the end of story on the evidence front.

So maybe you are being ignorant?

Through and through

I can tell you this though, when the people of the world thought that the world was flat, it was the bible that told us well before that theory came out that the world was a "circle"

The world isn't a circle. Nor is it a perfect sphere. It's slightly warped and slightly oblated. Why would God make the earth that way?

Please tell me how the human body evolved from goo? to work the way it does, does it not show you that it had to be created with wisdom and great forethought as to how body parts all work together?

Right ok...Well, see, not all answers are simple. The bible does a very good job of answering some difficult questions for people who can't understand the difficult answers.
If you are serious about wanting an answer to your question you want to read a book about protein synthesis and mitosis. Then you want to read a book about swarm theory and multicellularity. Then you want to read On the origin of species.
Or you could just read the bible. It answers your question, but does it really provide the answer.
Personally, as an atheist, nothing really seems complicated enough to merit the need of a creator God. And as a theist, that's something which you wouldn't understand. Aeya is more powerful than you give it credit for.

Please tell me who was the first two humans who started to procreate so that we would come into existance as we are now?

Ah yes, the bible gives you that answer. But my answer is slightly different. You see, as I don't believe that man was literally formed there and then from the dust of the earth, I believe that man has evolved. Which means your question is irrelevent, because the first two examples of what we consider to be homo sapiens probably didn't have names. And to be honest, i'm not that interested in their names either.

If you think we evolved from primordial sludge then tell me how humans learnt to procreate? There had to be two beginning parents to start off with

This is what's called a causality paradox. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? It isn't out of the realm of possibility that reproduction has evolved. It's not just humans that sexually reproduce. Flowering plants and Fungi, to name two examples, are organisms that sexually reproduce. The method may be different, but the process is very similar.
So to answer your question, it's instinctive. If nobody told you how to have sex im sure you'd figure it out.

The bible tells us the human body was created from the earth
It tells us that we are alive from the very moment of conception

That's nice. I bet you feel clever now, huh?

Please tell me where a scientist can 100% prove that we came from a big pile of goo

Tell me where a christian can 100% prove YEC theories.
In fact, tell me where anybody can 100% prove anything

GhK.

 

[McBell]

No you provide evidence of the fact that evolution took place. If you can not then you take back the blatent lie

Check out any evolution vs creation debate thread.
Case closed, evolution happened.
Your denial of it does not change the fact.

So maybe you are being ignorant?

No.
I merely asked for you to back up your claim that we all family tree back to Adam and eve.
I KNOW you cannot do it because you cannot even show that Adam and eve even existed.

I can tell you this though, when the people of the world thought that the world was flat, it was the bible that told us well before that theory came out that the world was a "circle"

You can Forer Effect the Bible all day long and it will not change the fact that there is even still today a "Flat Earth Society" who use the Bible to prove the Earth is flat.

Please tell me how the human body evolved from goo? to work the way it does, does it not show you that it had to be created with wisdom and great forethought as to how body parts all work together?

I asked you first.
Besides, your side track is not something I have claimed.

Please tell me who was the first two humans who started to procreate so that we would come into existance as we are now?

Again, you are merely attempting to move the conversation away from your blatant lie.

I do not side track so easily.

Are you going to present the family line back to Adam and Eve or not?

If you think we evolved from primordial sludge then tell me how humans learnt to procreate? There had to be two beginning parents to start off with

The bible tells us the human body was created from the earth
It tells us that we are alive from the very moment of conception

Please tell me where a scientist can 100% prove that we came from a big pile of goo

Please stop with your evolution non-sense and preset the evidence that everyone can be Family Treed back to Adam and Eve.


Your sad attempt to divert the conversation away from said claim is not going to work.

 

[lockyfan]

who is the one diverting now?

You believe that evolution happened because that is what MEN told you

I believe the way the bible says because it is God's inspired word

I would rather believe and have hope of a better future than be a person without hope

Thank you

 

[McBell]

who is the one diverting now?

You believe that evolution happened because that is what MEN told you

I believe the way the bible says because it is God's inspired word

I would rather believe and have hope of a better future than be a person without hope

Thank you

You are the one who is STILL trying to divert the conversation away from your claim that we all family tree to Adam and Eve.
I have not forgotten.

I see you are still trying to get out of presenting evidence to support your claim.
Are you going to present the line from modern man all the way back to Adam and Eve or not?

I have plenty of time, I can wait.

I will not, however, be playing your little diversion game.

So when are you gonna present the evidence that we all family tree back to Adam and Eve?

When are you gonna stop trying to divert the conversation?

 

[lockyfan]

Really?
In this particular instance I do not believe so.

God sends himself to be killed to pay for the sins of man, sins that God himself set up knowing before he set them up that he would have to send himself to be sacrificed in order to pay for the sins he set up in the first place.

Yeah, sounds like a deity I would want to trust....

Where did you get this information from? If you tell me the bible I will know your lying. Now i understand why you dont believe we all go back to Adam and Eve.

You are the one who is STILL trying to divert the conversation away from your claim that we all family tree to Adam and Eve.
I have not forgotten.

I see you are still trying to get out of presenting evidence to support your claim.
Are you going to present the line from modern man all the way back to Adam and Eve or not?

I have plenty of time, I can wait.

I will not, however, be playing your little diversion game.

So when are you gonna present the evidence that we all family tree back to Adam and Eve?

When are you gonna stop trying to divert the conversation?

How far back can you trace your own family tree? Where does your line stop? Look for yourself, you will find that there are records for so far an then they stop. I wonder why they stop hmm. Maybe because record are destroyed or dont go back 7000 years.

i know for sure mine goes back to Adam and Eve, this is a bible based piece of knowledge irrefutable in fact, whether you choose to believe is another story. And now I understand as I said before with your previous post.

Continue your diatribe against me, I dont really mind. I would liek to know where you got that idea from though. Thats rather interesting

 

[McBell]

Where did you get this information from? If you tell me the bible I will know your lying. Now i understand why you dont believe we all go back to Adam and Eve.

You believe whatever it is you have to in order to sleep at night.

How far back can you trace your own family tree? Where does your line stop? Look for yourself, you will find that there are records for so far an then they stop. I wonder why they stop hmm. Maybe because record are destroyed or dont go back 7000 years.

i know for sure mine goes back to Adam and Eve, this is a bible based piece of knowledge irrefutable in fact, whether you choose to believe is another story. And now I understand as I said before with your previous post.

Continue your diatribe against me, I dont really mind. I would liek to know where you got that idea from though. Thats rather interesting

I am not gong to do your homework.

How about you present something that supports your claim or withdraw your blatant lie?