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Women had "absolutely nothing" to do with writing it. How did the writer know what happened to Esther in the private room?
How does Tolkien know what Bilbo was doing when he was invisible?
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Women had "absolutely nothing" to do with writing it. How did the writer know what happened to Esther in the private room?
I think in this context the obligation is on you to provide your hypothesis and the evidence supporting it. Do you have any evidence that there is a consistent message of peace in the Bible? Is God portrayed as a peaceful being? Does Jesus die a peaceful death? Is the underlying of Bible stories, like Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. one of kindness, compassion, tolerance and acceptance?
No. Regardless of the truth of that claim, it is one which involves an extremely vast number of diverse topics from the incredibly complex nature of cultural and international dynamics, the current state of economic, military, technological, and other global forces affecting conflict, textual and theological interpretation, biblical Hebrew and ancient Greek, and on and on.
In which case the first thing you might want to establish is that there is any unified socio-cultural entity 'the Hebrews" allowing us to understand the bible as a "document" (as the thread title puts it) and a cohesive work produced by that socio-cultural entity ("the Hebrews").
How does Tolkien know what Bilbo was doing when he was invisible?
With perhaps one or two exceptions.
Hold on! You can't use that as a comparison. Everyone knows that Bilbo himself wrote There and Back Again and Frodo (with help) added to it creating The Red Book of Westmarch which Tolkien only translated from Westron. It's all historical. That's been proven by science.How does Tolkien know what Bilbo was doing when he was invisible?
The Jehovah's Witnesses do a pretty good job.
But it can't be proved. It must be trusted.
You cannot prove your mate will never be unfaithful. But you must trust that she or he will be faithful.
Hold on! You can't use that as a comparison. Everyone knows that Bilbo himself wrote There and Back Again and Frodo (with help) added to it creating The Red Book of Westmarch which Tolkien only translated from Westron. It's all historical. That's been proven by science.
We ought to talk about this, you know. There and Back Again is the key to world peace. So, what happened to it?
Boy, can you follow me around RF and explain to your fellow Christians that my opinion of the Bible was God's decision? Some of them seem to think I came up with it myself.
Good question. I think we must focus on what the hobbits passed on to us. It was written by them for us, but it has been corrupted by Hollywood and popular culture.
And I'm a female human. It was "written by them" for me. You know - it wouldn't bother me one bit if I found out that the writer of There and Back Again wasn't a hobbit. Maybe he was human, you never know.
It's in historical debates because the Bible is a historic document.
I didn't say that your opinion of the Bible was God's decision. I said that if you believe the Bible to be false and useless, God may decide to throw something your way that would challenge that belief. You have free will to choose what you think of the Bible and of God... and free will to ignore God.
Good question. I think we must focus on what the hobbits passed on to us. It was written by them for us, but it has been corrupted by Hollywood and popular culture.
Good question. I think we must focus on what the hobbits passed on to us. It was written by them for us, but it has been corrupted by Hollywood and popular culture.
The description "historic document" isn't all that clear. It could mean it is historic in the sense that Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg address and the assassination of the archduke franz ferdinand are historic (i.e., points in or pieces of history that are generally regared as important). Alternatively, you could be saying that the bible is a collection of historical documents that not only inform us about the past, but were intended to.
Either way, that doesn't merit placing it in a historical debate forum unless you intend to offer a thesis or theses concerning how one should understand the relation between the bible and history and why this is so. A historical debate involves asserting and defending claims about the past. It doesn't mean talking about something produced in the past and saying we should understand it as a guide for individual and social policy.
I don't want a religious perspective. I want a secular perspective. So then, what forum does it fit please?