The Bible and aliens

[robocop (actually)]

Consciousness may evolve at a lower or higher state in the Universe. Too low; it falls apart or is killed to easily. Too high; the required space and time for the evolution is so great it requires a lot of space to find it.

Also, if a species evolves on one star system and ends there, it's not as likely to be located as one who travels. Hence, a conscious species that can star travel is just about the right place to find consciousness.
I could also talk about the idea of God and some physics.

Let's say for instance a lizard hasn't developed a tail that detaches when caught and that grows back. If that lizard has a higher consciousness, the time thinking wil just be a waste and besides the extra brain material will be dead weight, slowing it down, so you will not see these as much. If it has to develop wings before more consciousness, this will be so rare that likewise you will not see it as much.

Humans need limbs, heart, brain, machinery... The same goes for humans and their technology but there's one major breakthrough. If the humans can star travel they will be seen much more. Barely able to do it is where we would expect to see ourselves.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

I wonder if aliens have come across any of our deep space probes yet?

CAPTAIN KLAA v PIONEER 10 in STAR TREK 5 'THE FINAL FRONTIER'-
VIXIS- Captain Klaa, we have a target in sight. A probe of ancient origin.
KLAA- Difficult to hit?
VIXIS- Most difficult.
KLAA-Good! All weapons to my control. Scope!
KLAA (after destroying it)- Shooting space garbage is no test of a warrior's mettle. I need a target that fires back !

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[robocop (actually)]

Jesus said- "And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered" (Matt 10:30)

If that's true, it's pretty definite that they've found our deep space probes. Evidence of Matt 10:30 is the Bible Codes (see Bible Code Digest.com - Home Page [Bible Code Digest] for instance), and the founder of them found lots of UFO codes.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Consciousness may evolve at a lower or higher state in the Universe. Too low; it falls apart or is killed to easily. Too high; the required space and time for the evolution is so great it requires a lot of space to find it.

Material things may be finite as perceived single entities but endure eternally as steps in the evolutionary chain to ultimate salvation - realization - truth.

The infinite and eternal cosmos is One that is All.

God sleeps in the rock,
Dreams in the plant,
Stirs in the animal,
And Awakens in Man. - Al Arabi

I died as a mineral and became a plant;
I died as a plant and rose to animal;
I died as an animal and I was a man.
Why should I fear?
When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as man to soar...
With angels blest.
But even from an angel I must pass on:
All except God must perish.
When I have sacrificed my angel soul,
I shall become what no mortal mind has ever conceived. -Jalaluddin Rumi

 

[robocop (actually)]

I'm cool with what you think. I've been thinking about this too. But you can't make something infinite with finite instructions. Even if you have a formula for pi, you can still only get one digit at a time. Also, of course, there is always more to count to include in your oneness from the infinitely small and large.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

In modern terms, the bible is simply a chronicle of alien interaction with humans over many centuries.
Today's scientists scan the heavens looking for signs of aliens, but what if they've already been and gone?..

Jesus said- "I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going....you are of this world, I am not of this world.." (John 8:14/ 8:23, Matt 13:35)


STARGATE-THE MOVIE
[The probe continues to move up the ramp, then the probe appears to be pulled through the Stargate.]
SHORE -"The thing has locked itself onto a point somewhere in the Kaliam galaxy."
DANIEL- "Where are we on that map?"
[Daniel moves to the far end of the star chart, then follows to where the trajectory guide is now sitting.]
CATHERINE- "That's right, Jackson. It's on the other side of the known universe"

 

[robocop (actually)]

This post is for you katzpur,

Speaking of not knowing where he was going,

John 10:16 - "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."

Could it be that Christ visited America like the Mormon's believe? Consider https://www.nephiproject.com/white_god_quetzalcoatl.htm

1. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl were recognized as creator of all things. (Mosiah 4:2; Saenz 1962:19, 40)
2. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl were born of virgins. (Alma 7: 10; Gamiz 95)
3. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl are described as being white or as wearing a white robe. (3 Nephi 11:8; Torquemada 47)
4. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl performed miracles. (3 Nephi 26:15; Sejourne 136‑137)
5. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl taught the ordinance of baptism. (3 Nephi 11:23; Irwin 1963:170)
6. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl prophesied of future events. (Ixtlilxochitl: 40)
7. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl were universal as opposed to just being recognized as local gods. (3 Nephi 16: 1; Sejourne 1962)
8. A great destruction was associated with both Christ and Quetzalcoatl at exactly the same time period in history. (3 Nephi 8:5; Ixtlilxochitl: 40)
9. The cross was a symbol to both Christ and Quetzalcoatl. (3 Nephi 27:14; Irwin 1963:165)
10. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl sent out disciples to preach their word. (3 Nephi 12:1; Wirth 1978:55)
11. Both Christ and Quetzalcoatl promised they would come a second time. (2 Nephi 6:14; Sahagun 1:40)
12. A new star is associated with both Christ and Quetzalcoatl. (3 Nephi 1:21; Anales de Cuauhtitlan 7)
13. The children of both Christ and Quetzalcoatl will become lords and heirs of the earth. (4 Nephi 1: 17; Ixtlilxochitl: 40)

There's even more. For instance maize was used in place of bread for the sacrament.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Or maybe Jesus meant ALIEN RACES out there in the universe when he said-
"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."

And these verses also spring to mind-
"..praise to the Lord, to him who rides the ancient skies above" (Psalm 68:33-34)

"Is not God in the heights of heaven? And see how lofty are the highest stars!" (Job 22:12)

 

[robocop (actually)]

Maybe both. Brilliant idea. Yes, I will combine my opinions with Raelian statements here. Please don’t get confused with the alternate meaning of spreading the gospel.

Matthew 13:3-9: This is a very important scripture because it is the only one in the Bible that lets us know about this.

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

This was a planet too close to the creators; they were afraid the creation might cozy up to them while building space ships and then attack them.

5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

Radiation mutated the life too much on this planet; that is why in Genesis 1:4 they had to test that the light was good first on earth.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

Plants took over this planet. That’s why, on earth, even before dealing with the seasons in the fourth day of creation they made grass, herbs (perhaps bumper crops), and trees.


8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

3 earthlike planets were a success, and like I’ve said they guide them minimally through prophets.
When or if those planets mature and we meet with our creators, the planet with the best technology will dominate the other two. See also verse about three measures of meal, Luke 3:21. This is the one fold, one shepherd.
Many worlds exist, but none have been found by them as strong as them and we are the only three they’ve created. The ancient skies are the skies from their home planet. The heights of heaven are the distance from their sun to their planet.
Please understand I am just trying to take the supernatural/mystical out of scriptures.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Speaking of radiation, God said to Moses-
“you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.
..There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.” (Exodus 33:20-23)

Perhaps God put him in the cleft to shield him from radiation as his "craft" passed by?

"..praise to the Lord, to him who rides the ancient skies above,
whose power is in the skies." (Psalm 68:33-34)
"God rides upon a swift cloud" (Isaiah 19:1)

 

[robocop (actually)]

I'm a little confused because "G-d" spoke to Moses face to face in verse 11 of the same chapter.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

I'm a little confused because "G-d" spoke to Moses face to face in verse 11 of the same chapter.

No, Moses simply heard God's voice coming out of the burning bush-

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[robocop (actually)]

In Exodus 33:11 it says, "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle."-so we know the Lord spoke with Moses face to face.


What was being talked about after that (partially by you and for the rest of the chapter) was "The Glory of God," which is a jumbo space craft. He couldn't see the Lord's face as it flew by because there was no opening on the bottom when it flew by, and plus I think they are flat. As for Moses hiding I can think of other possibilities for why he would have to hide (although yours might be right). For instance, it might stop Moses from being so frightened.

As for the burning bush, I refer you back to your own earlier statement for what that was, and it was way before-in Exodus 3:2-
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And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. This was not a jumbo but a regular (I think), and you can see the 'burning bush' yourself.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Seeing God "face to face" is just a figure of speech, we know Moses heard him and experienced his presence, but as God is invisible he didn't actually see him with his eyes..

"..the King eternal, immortal, INVISIBLE, the only wise God..."(1 Tim 1:15-17)
"Moses..forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is INVISIBLE" (Hebrews 11:24-27)

 

[Shuttlecraft]

GENESIS PROJECT?

"God made the worlds.. (Hebrews 11:3 KJV)

And maybe Jesus is out there tending them-
"I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also" (John 10:16)

But before he went he told us-
"I'll be back" (Mark 13:26)

 

[robocop (actually)]

As a Raelian, I strive for whatever is the least mystical or supernatural meaning. I fight obscurantism.

It clearly says that Moses spoke with him face to face as a man speaks to his friend in Exodus 33:11.

But he clearly is invisible in 1 Timothy 1:17. How can you speak face to face as a man speaks to a friend and be invisible at the same time? You can’t.

The Hebrew scripture you gave gives the answer by qualifying the invisibility.

Hebrews 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

Note that here in your own verse he saw the invisible, meaning the creator is not always invisible. May I suggest that he isn’t translucent but rather unapproachable. Look Hebrews 11:27 over. Because he was not fearful and believing he was able to approach and see the invisible. Thus he can be seen by those who prepare themselves.

You can further note that in the 1 Timothy 1:17 it is describing maximum praise to our King. Thus some of it might be qualified although the verse looks as good as possible.

I’m a Raelian. I’m supposed to know this stuff.

 

[Whiterain]

Either of you two gentlemen have any experience with a shape shifting being from the barrens of the cosmos?

I don't know where to take this...

Trying to put some elements together and make with the euphoria.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Either of you two gentlemen have any experience with a shape shifting being from the barrens of the cosmos?..

I've dated some odd women but nobody quite like that..
As for "alien attack" we could say demons are in a sense invisible aliens, or to put it scientifically- "invisible parasitic life-forms that seek to implant themselves in the mind of a human host, to bend his/her will to their own"

Unlike Ripleys alien (below), demons DON'T show up on x-rays and scans, but we can tell if somebody is hosting one because we can hear it speaking anti-christian rubbish through the hosts mouth.

Demons are "mind hunters", Jesus said as much-
"When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.
Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.'
When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.
Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there."- Matt 12:43-45

A human who radiates bad vibes is like a beacon to them, and they home in on him/her, hence the warning NOT to radiate bad vibes that attract them-
"whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things" {Philp 4:8)

 

[robocop (actually)]

I think you mean ghosts, not demons, but I may be wrong. Demons are anti-Christ angels. I don't want to argue about invisibility-but if you think its important I will be happy to.

 

[Whiterain]

Lame........

Trickery of the mind will take you places believing in invisible beings. In Celtic myth the gods were
said to have cloaks that rendered them invisible, sounds like a cop out. That would be a fascinating
piece of ancient technology, among their other treasures.

Space Reptoids, myth or tabloid conspiracy theory, they've actually been around since ancient era's in myth and religion.

I love my tabloid materials, such rich imaginations. .

Reptillians, Reptoids, Drakes, Gorgon, Annunaki(?), Dragons, Serpents, I guess, they're not new and always hysterical, get on level.