The Bible and Homosexuality

[allright]

Why? You're just going to ignore it like you've been ignoring anything that doesn't support your hatred.

In order words you have no proof, so lets start name calling

 

[McBell]

There is no such thing as same sex marriage in the Bible

Really?
Then where is all the anti same sex marriage bull **** coming from?

There is of course quite a bit about prostitution

Well, it is called the oldest profession....

 

[McBell]

In order words you have no proof, so lets start name calling

I missed it...
What name did Trey of Diamonds call you?

 

[Me Myself]

People, let`s remember that you are arguing with someone that believes eating shrimp is more moraly reprehensible than selling your daugther as a slave. (as he has said he fully agrees and supports ALL the laws of the bible)

 

[allright]

Really?
Then where is all the anti same sex marriage bull **** coming from?

I meant its not in the Bible because marriage in the Bible is between a man and a woman.

 

[McBell]

Really?
Then where is all the anti same sex marriage bull **** coming from?

I meant its not in the Bible because marriage in the Bible is between a man and a woman.

I have noticed that you chase your own tail a lot in this thread.

 

[allright]

I missed it...
What name did Trey of Diamonds call you?

A hater :help:

 

[Me Myself]

I meant its not in the Bible because marriage in the Bible is between a man and a woman.

Marriage that the bible supports? you mean like this?

 

[InfidelRiot]

As has been mentioned in this thread already, picking and choosing what to believe in the bible is something most Christians are very good at doing. Not only do they ignore reason and logic, using the circular logical fallacy to use the bible to prove what is in it is evidence of their faith, but they also adhere to a dangerously ignorant belief that their faith protects them from anything that disrupts their comfort zone. Ignorance is bliss for them because to question or doubt what they believe for something more reasonable makes them uncomfortable as though someone was holding a gun to their head. Absolute faith is preferable to the realization that they could be wrong.

 

[allright]

I have noticed that you chase your own tail a lot in this thread.

The tread is a Video of someone claiming to prove that the Bible says homosexuality is not wrong

I am saying the Bible says it is

 

[Me Myself]

the bible also says that you should not eat shrimp and that is it okay to sell your daugther as a slave.

Which is worst? eating shrimp or selling you daugther as a slave?

 

[McBell]

A hater :help:

Really?
In what post does he call you a hater?

I fail to see it.
Or are you perhaps suffering from a guilty conscience?
Trying to play the martyr perhaps?

 

[allright]

the bible also says that you should not eat shrimp and that is it okay to sell your daugther as a slave.

Which is worst? eating shrimp or selling you daugther as a slave?

The thread is does the Bible say homosexuality is wrong or not, not whether you agree with it

 

[McBell]

The tread is a Video of someone claiming to prove that the Bible says homosexuality is not wrong

I am saying the Bible says it is

Have you actually watched the video?
Based on your posts thus far in this thread I would have to say that you either did not watch the video or you deserve an Academy Award for your being able to act as though you did not.

Interesting enough, it still does not change the fact that you have spent a large amount of your time in this thread chasing your tail.

 

[Harmonious]

Virgins who are raped must marry their rapist, according to biblical law.
.

Point of clarification by someone who lives by these laws... The rapist cannot deny marriage to said virgin. She isn't forced to marry him. He is forced to marry HER, if her psyche is so damaged that she will only see herself as defiled and unmarriable to any other man. In Jewish law, an erstwhile virgin who was raped is only forbidden to marry a Cohen, like divorcees, converts, and prostitutes.

It helps to know how the laws are carried out by those who live by them.

 

[Me Myself]

The thread is does the Bible say homosexuality is wrong or not, not whether you agree with it

Actually, if you watch the video of the OP, which you clearly didn`t you`ll see my point is directly relevant to the thread.

Leviticus is no longer important to christians. If it were, having sex with a woman in her menstrual period would be as bad as having homosexual sex, so would be disobeyng your parents. (when I mean as bad, I mean "let`s stone that guy" bad)

 

[McBell]

The thread is does the Bible say homosexuality is wrong or not, not whether you agree with it

Where does the Bible say that homosexuality itself (and not the actual act) is wrong?

 

[Me Myself]

Point of clarification by someone who lives by these laws... The rapist cannot deny marriage to said virgin. She isn't forced to marry him. He is forced to marry HER, if her psyche is so damaged that she will only see herself as defiled and unmarriable to any other man. In Jewish law, an erstwhile virgin who was raped is only forbidden to marry a Cohen, like divorcees, converts, and prostitutes.

It helps to know how the laws are carried out by those who live by them.

The token of virginity law seems ridiculous for today`s standards though.

Many women don`t bleed on the first sex encounter.

 

[Harmonious]

Or maybe Christians who are actually accepting of others, who love their neighbors, and don't judge others. You know, things that Jesus (and Paul) said to do so.
Non-Jews (such as Christians) have never needed or been advised to follow the laws in the OT. Paul states this pretty clearly as well. So there really needs to be no human reasoning. One just has to read the Bible.
And now he is denying who he is. Isn't the first time. Pretty much all credible research on the subject shows that one can not switch their sexuality. One simply can't do that. People are born that way (and that is what all research really says).

There are many gay and lesbian individuals who have raised families. They do so not because they are being true to themselves, but because other people are so intolerant that they have to lie to themselves. And many times, it ends up bad for everyone.

The death penalty was very rare. To actually get approval for the death penalty, there was a lot of hoops. So really, people weren't punished with death.

You obviously don't support all the Bible and laws if you don't follow the ceremonial law and the laws about food. So you are picking and choosing what you want.

I think it is you who don't like what the Bible says. Concubines were no problem. A wife's maid was no problem either. After all, who did Abraham have his first son through? Not his wife.

The Bible also says we are all guilty of sin. So you're just as guilty. The Bible also says that we shouldn't judge others, because we are also guilty. It also states that we can all be forgiven. You're really picking and choosing here.

Says who? The Bible never states that marriage is one man and one woman. So I think you're just making things up.

Basically, you are just intolerant of others, and in fact, ignoring much of what the Bible says in order to justify your hate.

:clap:

 

[Harmonious]

I haven't been able to watch all of it, since I gotta head out to the studio soon. But so far, for a young man at 21, he speaks remarkably well and conveys his points thoroughly and with understanding and compassion toward the critics of his argument.

I found him interesting and eloquent.

Now, while my belief system says that non-Jews are forbidden from homosexual relations (as part of the Noachide laws), he didn't speak to my belief system.

It is a good question, and a logical argument. When Christians, by and large, ignore so many other commandments (which were never theirs, so Jesus never released them from said commandments to begin with), why is this one clung to so tenatiously?

I agree, in theory, but in logical execution, the young man in the OP makes a lot of sense.