First Baseman
Retired athlete
Why don't you seek the truth? Does the questionable and unknown give you salvation?
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The Bible and the Zodiac
- Thread starter Walter Russell
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Why don't you seek the truth? Does the questionable and unknown give you salvation?
Walter Russell
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I spent the majority of my life as a dedicated Christian. Christian Apologetics is where I was drawn. The thing is, I wasn't willing to believe that my view as a Christian was superior just on blind faith. I wanted to have knowledge about the beliefs that challenged Christianity in order to defend it in knowledge, not ignorance.
It was through my hard work an honest attempt to defend my faith that I discovered my religion was based on a lie.
My only desire is for truth and my ego doesn't blind me to it, and the truth is that Christianity is nothing more than Sun worship.
Walter Russell
Member
Didn't I say it would degenerate into arguments?
Tanakh and NT have obvious zodiac and God as Sun history in both historic writings and iconography, however - Quagmire is correct in that most of the sites you have listed are not authorities, or referenced.
Astrology is considered pseudoscience, so unless such sites are very will cited and referenced, they won't be acceptable.
However, the - The Tetramorph; The Sumerian Origins of a Christian Symbol - article was interesting, and the Harvard article was very interesting and was thankfully referenced and cited. I took a snapshot from it.
Tanakh actually references YHVH as a SUN, and even calls him SUN. We also have ancient mosaics from Hebrew Temple floors showing YHVH as the Solar God in his Solar Chariot surrounded by the zodiac. So there is no question as to the Sun and zodiac connections.
Psa 84:11 For YHVH Elohiym is a Sun and shield: YHVH will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
Psa 19:3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Psa 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Psa 19:5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
Psa 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
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Psa 68:32 Sing to God, ye kingdoms of the earth; sing psalms to the Lord. Pause.
Psa 68:33 Sing to God that rides on the heaven of heaven, eastward: lo, he will utter a mighty sound (crackling, thunder) with his voice.
Psa 68:34 Give ye glory to God: his excellency is over Israel, and his power is in the clouds.
Psa 68:35 God is wonderful in his holy places, the God of Israel: he will give power and strength to his people: blessed be God.
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THE PRACTICAL BIBLE DICTIONARY, SUN; The greater light, Gen. 1:15-18. WORSHIPPED by idolatrous HEBREWS, 2 Kgs 21:3,5; 23:5.
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Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day is coming, burning like a fire pot; and all the proud and every doer of wickedness shall be chaff. And the coming day will set them ablaze, says YAHWEH of Hosts, which will not leave root or branches to them.
Mal 4:2 But to you who fear My name, the Sun of Righteousness shall rise up, and healing will be in His rays. And you shall go out and frisk like calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And you shall tread under the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day which I am preparing, says YAHWEH of Hosts.
Even Unger's Bible Encyclopedia has an article on Hebrew sun worship.
You can see some of the Hebrew and Christian Sun God zodiac iconography in this thread -
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...astrology-in-the-gospels.187552/#post-4782864
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Yeah you jinxed it :/
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Sir, you just simply lacked any faith. You should be justifying God's word rather than trying to justify yourself.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
That's an equally bizarre and incoherent response to everything presented here. I'm not saying these people literally worshiped the Sun; they did however incorporate ideas and practices from the area, including Sun worship, child sacrifice, etc. Just facts.
Satan was a murderer and a liar from the beginning.. In either case, I'm innocent.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Well, that's between you and your eternal Judge.
The truth concerning the other things you believe lies beyond you. The truth is that you have no idea about exactly what others thought or imagined. You believe what you do based on your faith in those you choose to believe. I just hope for your sake that they're right. Otherwise what you think is just simply wrong
Walter Russell
Member
You mean mans word that was intended to give power to the Vicar of Christ don't you?
I let my relationship with Christ guide me for many years but I have never felt as free as I do today.
I hold no ill will towards Christians, I live in the bible belt of America and my entire family is Christian. I haven't had any "bad" Christian experiences. I simply followed where truth led me.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Base, I understand your problem. You're not concerned about my sake; you're concerned about your own ego. Go back and read @Ingledsva's post #52 a few more times. "SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"? What does that mean to you? If you really want to worship the Most High, you should first pick your nose up off the floor that these dead men have you on. Test the spirits; don't believe it simply because it's written down and called God's word.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
And so Satan has convinced you that you don't need God. His basic methods never change.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Sir, I assure you that Christ is truth. There is no other name under heaven given by which men might be saved.
Christ gives us the Holy Spirit and He reveals the truth to us. Those that know not Christ cannot know truth.
Walter Russell
Member
I disagree.
Moses wrote the book of Genesis and we all know Eygpt was well established before his time. The great pyramids which are in alignment with Orions Belt predate Moses as well giving clear evidence that astrology predates the OT.
Also consider the Jews captivity in Eygpt was during the age of Taurus the Bull.
In Exodus 29:10-18 Moses instructed the Jews to sacrifice a bull and pour its blood on the alter for the forgiveness of sins and to sacrifice a ram and sprinkle its blood around the alter for blessings.
The animals picked were not by accident. It was the end of the age of Taurus the bull constellation and the beginning of the age of Aries the ram constellation.
Moses signified the changing of the ages. Jesus story cames in at the end of the age of Aries as he brings in the age of Pisces the 2 fish. Is it coincidental that the fish is a symbol of a Christ for Christians? Rams are mentioned many times in the OT and fish are mentioned many times in the NT.
You can ignore it if you wish but its there just the same.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
How was anything revealed to you? You've read and ingested all manner of spirits presented to you, without testing them. So it is true; those who do not know the Son of Man have not known where the truth resides, or where the way is.
Walter Russell
Member
Satan or Saturn?? The only antagonist in our story is us. There is no invisible boogy man ready to burn us. God didn't create that, man did in order to control man.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Sir, you do not know me yet you presume much you cannot know.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
I will pray for you. Only Christ is able to save you. I hope you will one day know this.
Walter Russell
Member
First Baseman
Retired athlete
I'll gladly accept a prayer for my benefit. Tks. I'll keep you in mind as well.
Thank you and have a good day, sir.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
The creation story is just that - a story, - and it wasn't written down until much-much later.
Sun worship, and God and Goddess worship by the Hebrew, is discussed throughout the Bible.
The Sun verses given above, the iconography given above, the CHRISTISN scholarship given above, etc.
How can you say it isn't so - when the Bible itself tells us they kept turning back to their original God and Goddess worship?
The Bible tells us the Hebrew worshiped the Hosts of Heaven.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
That is your opinion. Others have different opinions.
How do YOU get around the obvious myth? A six day creation, Birds feeding and taking care of a human, talking animals, virgin birth, dead people getting out of their graves and walking around the city, etc?
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