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The Bible declares that Jesus is God

djhwoodwerks

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Trinity translations are erred=100% fact--they are misleading all away from entering Gods kingdom.

Not a fact at all, Trinity teachers teach that the only way into the Kingdom is thru Jesus, the rank and file witness don't have Jesus, only the elite 144,000 supposedly do. That is a FACT! Without Jesus, you have no hope.
 

djhwoodwerks

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I just told you Rev is clear--the 7 headed beast with 10 horns= united nations do it--not a country. Don't talk about something you have no clue on.

Lol, you think the beast with only 10 horns is the UN with many, many more countries as members? You have no clue my friend!
 

Magus

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The word 'Salvation', derives from Salvs, the Latin god of well-being, health and welfare , it's about having Good health , but USA don't even have a national health service and Christians send sick kids to faith healers and wonder why they are dead.

The letters to Ephesus and Philippi are obviously forgeries since those places are Roman colonies, even biblical scholar admit it, so why bother quoting it.

Without Jesus ( a dead Jew nailed to a piece of wood), you will burn in hell for whole of eternity gnashing of teeth, Christians spread fear, that's all they do, there is a particular philosophy in the New Testament and Christians have no clue what it is, they just don't care what Jesus taught, they just wanna psychologically torture kids.
 

Rick B

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It is to the darkness of those who have no understanding of revelation.

There comes a time when one is compelled to withdraw further communication and "Let them alone". Matt.15:14; 23:24. Considering the amount of evidence presented to you refuting your every simplistic, irrelevant, "sound-byte" remarks and you being "blind" to honest Biblically based arguments and just responding with nonsense, I must now leave you to the reward due to those who deny the Deity of Christ. Unless you repent we're done.
 
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Rick B

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Lol, you think the beast with only 10 horns is the UN with many, many more countries as members? You have no clue my friend!

I'll have to give @kjw47 credit here. He practices what he preaches. He certainly doesn’t talk about something he has no clue on.
 

djhwoodwerks

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I'll have to give @kjw47 credit here. He practices what he preaches. He certainly doesn’t talk about something he has no clue on.

Good point. The rank and file witnesses should really even be going door to door and preaching, they could preach something today and have to go back Monday and say they got 'new light' and what they said is obsolete!
 

kjw47

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Ephesians 1:20-21 (ESV Strong's) 20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

Philippians 2:9-10 (ESV Strong's) 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,

Does it really say, "above every name but one"? I don't see it.

I guess it's easy to reject the deity of Jesus when He is nothing to you. I mean, Jesus is nothing to the rank and file witness, He's not their mediator, they are not under the New Covenant, they have no hope of salvation, because salvation comes thru the New Covenant.


God exalted his name--no creations name is above the creators name. Any with the ability to reason properly knows that fact.
Jesus is my king. He is ahead of the JW congregation. Salvation is going to those who live now 24/7 365 doing Jesus Fathers will.( Matt 7:21)
How come its not Jesus' will that is to be done since you think his name is above his God and Fathers name?
 

kjw47

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Not a fact at all, Trinity teachers teach that the only way into the Kingdom is thru Jesus, the rank and file witness don't have Jesus, only the elite 144,000 supposedly do. That is a FACT! Without Jesus, you have no hope.


Through the real Jesus. The Jesus that teaches he has a God like we do--his Father. Not the fake trinity Jesus.
 

kjw47

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There comes a time when one is compelled to withdraw further communication and "Let them alone". Matt.15:14; 23:24. Considering the amount of evidence presented to you refuting your every simplistic, irrelevant, "sound-byte" remarks and you being "blind" to honest Biblically based arguments and just responding with nonsense, I must now leave you to the reward due to those who deny the Deity of Christ. Unless you repent we're done.


Everytime a trinity is taught--those call Jesus a liar--John 20:17, Rev 3:12

I wouldn't trade spots with you for anything.
 

djhwoodwerks

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you think his name is above his God and Fathers name?

I "think" it because that is what the Bible says, not 7 men that appointed themselves as teachers!

Ephesians 1:20-21 (ESV Strong's) 20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

What name does that leave out? NONE! Is Jehovah a name that is named?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Not a fact at all, Trinity teachers teach that the only way into the Kingdom is thru Jesus, the rank and file witness don't have Jesus, only the elite 144,000 supposedly do. That is a FACT! Without Jesus, you have no hope.

Through the real Jesus. The Jesus that teaches he has a God like we do--his Father. Not the fake trinity Jesus.

The rank and file witness does not have the "real Jesus", only the 144,000 elite do. The only connection between the rank and file witness and Jesus or God is association with that elite!

Don't be angry with me, your teachers claim that Jesus is not the mediator of the rank and file! If He is not your mediator, you don't have access to God because the only way to God is thru Jesus and the rank and file witness don't have Jesus.
 

djhwoodwerks

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Everytime a trinity is taught--those call Jesus a liar--John 20:17, Rev 3:12

Matthew 28:19 (ESV Strong's) 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Witnesses are so blind! You don't see the Trinity in this verse?
 

garden47

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The Nicene Creed was adopted in the face of the Arian controversy, whose leader, Arius, was a member of the clergy of Alexandria. "Arius objected to Alexander's (the bishop of the time) apparent carelessness in blurring the distinction of nature between the Father and the Son by his emphasis on eternal generation." Alexander accused Arius of denying the divinity of the Son and also of being too "Jewish" and "Greek" in his thought. Both Arius and Alexander rejected Gnosticism, Manichaeism and Sabellian formulae. The Nicene Creed was created as a result of the extensive adoption of the doctrine of Arius far outside Alexandria, in order to clarify the key tenets of the Christian faith.

The Nicene Creed of 325 explicitly affirms the co-essential divinity of the Son, applying to him the term "consubstantial". The 381 version speaks of the Holy Spirit as worshipped and glorified with the Father and the Son. The Athanasian Creed (not used in Eastern Christianity) describes in much greater detail the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Apostles' Creed makes no explicit statements about the divinity of the Son and the Holy Spirit, but, in the view of many who use it, the doctrine is implicit in it.

Nicene Creed - Wikipedia
During the 4thC AD, the Christian Church was confronted by the "Arian controversy" as to the exact nature of Christ with respect to God.

The Arians argued that the Son was created by God and therefore subordinate to God.

The Council of Nicene and the Nicene Creed (325 AD) reaffirms the Trinity, all are eternal and that none are subordinate/created by the others.
 
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Rick B

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The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. 14 For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil. Eccl.12:13-14

1John 3: 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 22 and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1John 3:21-24

Keeping God's commandments is His will for us as our part in our sanctification. However, there are those who mistakenly think that our works (keeping God's commandments, His Law) earns our salvation. Some even audaciously believe that they can keep God's commandments 24/7/365. That must be done in thought, word, and deed. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Bible is clear - our justification comes to us by God's grace imputing our sins to Christ's account and imputing Christ's righteousness to our account.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”..

3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one; 11 There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; 12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one.” 13 “Their throat is an open grave, With their tongues they keep deceiving,” “The poison of asps is under their lips”; 14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”; 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood, 16 Destruction and misery are in their paths, 17 And the path of peace they have not known.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

4: What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he has whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 34 Now to him that works the reward is not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that does not work, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describes the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputes righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin….

13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation…

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5: Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation….

20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

7: 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

8: Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9: 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 just as it is written,

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,
And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”
 
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Rick B

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Romans 10: Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth; he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

2 Cor.5: 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Galatians 2:15 “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; 16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified...21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

3:10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” 11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith… 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20 Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

Philippians 3:7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

Titus 3:4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
 
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kjw47

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I "think" it because that is what the Bible says, not 7 men that appointed themselves as teachers!

Ephesians 1:20-21 (ESV Strong's) 20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

What name does that leave out? NONE! Is Jehovah a name that is named?


And we are supposed to be created in Gods image( ability to love and reason)
Read Psalm 83:18 in an old bible-- That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah You are the most high over all the earth)--It was Jehovah who made the name Jesus above other names--
Simple reasoning--no one is higher than God. Jesus pointed all to his God and Father. LISTEN TO JESUS.
 

kjw47

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The rank and file witness does not have the "real Jesus", only the 144,000 elite do. The only connection between the rank and file witness and Jesus or God is association with that elite!

Don't be angry with me, your teachers claim that Jesus is not the mediator of the rank and file! If He is not your mediator, you don't have access to God because the only way to God is thru Jesus and the rank and file witness don't have Jesus.


The bible clearly shows your error( false reasonings)

There is -ONE- flock under Jesus--the bible breaks them into two different groups, yet one flock--The little flock( Luke 12:32)--these are the anointed, the bride of Christ, the 144,000--( Rev 14:3) only these are bought from the earth to heaven, to rule as kings and priests on thrones beside Jesus. They will judge as well, even the fallen angels.
The great multitude, who stand before the throne, on earth( new earth= Gods kingdom rule)Daniel 2:44)
Jesus gave these this promise--Matthew 5:5--Blessed( happy) are the meek, for they will inherit the EARTH. as well- the Psalmist knew that fact-Psalm 37:9-11,29)

This is the reality of what every bible teaches--blind guides cannot see it. They get paid to teach--dogma.
 
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