The Big Bang and Evolution

[ArtieE]

And, can you think of some thing that had no cause to exist? Enlighten me!

Your god...?

 

[omega2xx]

Bingo! God created this way...which means god is worth no more than an algebra equation..God tells me no more about the universe, physics, chemistry, life, the human experience...then an algebra equation I learned from 5th grade. If god made it like it is, then god is nothing more than the body of physical laws and equation we use every day to predict all manner of things.

If god created it this way..then god is predictable....

How silly. One who can not only create matter, energy and life, is not better than an 5th grade algebra equation? Enlighten us all with your great knowledge and tell us an equation that can create life.

What one creates is grater than what He creates.

Your comments sound like something a dis-functional 4th grader would say.

 

[metis]

Why is it that some self-professed Christians think it is right and proper to demean others simply because they disagree with them?

"Hate the sin, not the sinner".

 

[Ben Avraham]

Your god...?

I don't have a god. The Primal Cause aka the Creator Who caused the Universe to exist is not a god but the reason why the Universe exists. If you don't believe, it is okay not to, as long as you share with us the opposite of what we are talking about. When one fights against the views of another without what to say is called vandalism.

 

[ArtieE]

I don't have a god. The Primal Cause aka the Creator Who caused the Universe to exist is not a god but the reason why the Universe exists.

And the reason why this Primal Cause aka the Creator Who caused the Universe exists?

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

How silly. One who can not only create matter, energy and life, is not better than an 5th grade algebra equation? Enlighten us all with your great knowledge and tell us an equation that can create life.

What one creates is grater than what He creates.

Your comments sound like something a dis-functional 4th grader would say.

If god created it this way, then he created it to behave in a perfectly predictable manner. Humans, with science, are proving that the universe works in a perfectly predictable manner (even if we are not to the point of predicting everything ourselves).

So if gawd created a universe that operates in a manner which humans may predict using mindless FORMULAS, gawd can be no greater than a mindless mechanism. The universe operates by perfectly predictable physical principles. It is the human mind, capable of conceiving these principles, that is the greater of the two.

For my view, all I have to do is observe, comprehend, and understand the operation of what comes to me through my senses.

For your view, you had to make baseless assumptions that gawd exists, that god can create matter, energy, and life. And you call my view silly?

You can carry a light, but you can't enlighten a mind that hides from the light!

 

[Ben Avraham]

And the reason why this Primal Cause aka the Creator Who caused the Universe exists?

You are repeating my questions! I said, the Primal Cause is the reason why the Universe exists.

 

[Ben Avraham]

If god created it this way, then he created it to behave in a perfectly predictable manner. Humans, with science, are proving that the universe works in a perfectly predictable manner (even if we are not to the point of predicting everything ourselves).

So if gawd created a universe that operates in a manner which humans may predict using mindless FORMULAS, gawd can be no greater than a mindless mechanism. The universe operates by perfectly predictable physical principles. It is the human mind, capable of conceiving these principles, that is the greater of the two.

For my view, all I have to do is observe, comprehend, and understand the operation of what comes to me through my senses. For your view, you had to make baseless assumptions that gawd exists, that god can create matter, energy, and life. And you call my view silly? You can carry a light, but you can't enlighten a mind that hides from the light!

I don't know if you have ever read a page of the Tanach, you might want to double check Isaiah 42:6 where we have that Israel was assigned as light unto the nations. That's only obvious that I not only carry a light but also that I have enlightened many, including 11 who have converted to Judaism. I see that you are a hard core unbeliever that HaShem exists. I'll take a break from the frontline and give you the chance to tell what or who caused the Universe to exist. If you dare to take the challenge, I am all ears. If you don't have what it takes to open the old Book with a Jew, too bad for you!

 

[ArtieE]

You are repeating my questions! I said, the Primal Cause is the reason why the Universe exists.

And why would this Primal Cause exist?

 

[omega2xx]

If god created it this way, then he created it to behave in a perfectly predictable manner.

Right. It is called "intelligent Design." If God didn't creatg it, how did it come into being?

Humans, with science, are proving that the universe works in a perfectly predictable manner (even if we are not to the point of predicting everything ourselves).

That is because God created a perfecdt world.

So if gawd created a universe that operates in a manner which humans may predict using mindless FORMULAS, gawd can be no greater than a mindless mechanism. The universe operates by perfectly predictable physical principles. It is the human mind, capable of conceiving these principles, that is the greater of the two.

Not true. Teh one who created teh process is the greatest. God knew all he answers before man even knew some of the questions.

For my view, all I have to do is observe, comprehend, and understand the operation of what comes to me through my senses.

You ar so wonderful and intelligent. I would like to know how matter, energy and life came into existence. With your wonderful mind, that should be an easy question for you to answer. I can hardly wait.

For your view, you had to make baseless assumptions that gawd exists, that god can create matter, energy, and life. And you call my view silly?

How silly of me. I can hardly for you with your great intellect to tell me how it all happenend. Be sure to include the science behind y9ur answer.

You can carry a light, but you can't enlighten a mind that hides from the light!

Such wisdom. Why don't you write a book called, "I know everything about everything--just ask.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

I'll take a break from the frontline and give you the chance to tell what or who caused the Universe to exist. If you dare to take the challenge, I am all ears.

I'll take that challenge!!! The moment you demonstrate the need for a cause, i.e.!

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Right. It is called "intelligent Design." If God didn't creatg it, how did it come into being?

Yawn!

That is because God created a perfect world.

Because you say so? Or just 'because?'

Not true. Teh one who created teh process is the greatest. God knew all he answers before man even knew some of the questions.

Der, der, der...cause you say so, I guess? Oh wait, because someone told you so..I guess?

You ar so wonderful and intelligent. I would like to know how matter, energy and life came into existence. With your wonderful mind, that should be an easy question for you to answer. I can hardly wait.

So now you're waiting on me to tell you so? Sorry, you have received your answers from on high and the questions no longer seem to matter to you!

How silly of me.

Apology accepted!

I can hardly for you with your great intellect to tell me how it all happenend. Be sure to include the science behind y9ur answer.

Really? You are asking for evidence? Given your mindset of 'that's how I heard it so it must be true' I'm shocked you even recognize the existence of rational thought and science.

Such wisdom. Why don't you write a book called, "I know everything about everything--just ask.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I'll take that challenge!!! The moment you demonstrate the need for a cause, i.e.!

The need for the Cause is based on the logical fact that we would not be here today verbal juggling with each other if the Primal Cause had not caused the Universe to exist. Now, make your purpose significant to challenge my view by answering my question. Again: If the Universe could not logically have caused itself to exist, it is only obvious that something or Someone that preceded it caused it to exist. Now, make good on your word to challenge mine. Thank you!

 

[Ben Avraham]

And why would this Primal Cause exist?

Listen ArtieE, no offense meant but, your question is totally irrelevant. Why? Because you would not be here today verbal juggling your nonsense with me if the Primal Cause did not exist. Why do you make it
so hard to get the Logic of this statement!

 

[omega2xx]

Yawn!

Brilliant way to avoid answering the question.

Because you say so? Or just 'because?'Der, der, der...cause you say so, I guess?

I am glad you recognize it as a guess but it is not becaue i sasy so, it is because the Intelligent Designers says so.

Oh wait, because someone told you so..I guess?So now you're waiting on me to tell you so? Sorry, you have received your answers from on high and the questions no longer seem to matter to you!Apology accepted!Really? You are asking for evidence? Given your mindset of 'that's how I heard it so it must be true' I'm shocked you even recognize the existence of rational thought and science.

I guess beating around the bush and blowing smoke is your way of avoiding answering the question because you realize you can't.. How sad.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Brilliant way to avoid answering the question.

No. A way of telling how boring your point is!

I am glad you recognize it as a guess but it is not becaue i sasy so, it is because the Intelligent Designers says so.

Really? When did they tell you?

I guess beating around the bush and blowing smoke is your way of avoiding answering the question because you realize you can't.. How sad.

Again, it's not a worthy challenge to debate a talking wall. Something makes 'sense' to you, therefore you 'conclude' and no logic or argument penetrates your confirmation bias.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

The need for the Cause is based on the logical fact that we would not be here today verbal juggling with each other if the Primal Cause had not caused the Universe to exist. Now, make your purpose significant to challenge my view by answering my question. Again: If the Universe could not logically have caused itself to exist, it is only obvious that something or Someone that preceded it caused it to exist. Now, make good on your word to challenge mine. Thank you!

I think you are confused on the term 'logical.' Your so called logical fact does not, at least as far as you've been able to demonstrate, have any relation to a logical presentation.

You assume there must be a cause. And assuming there must be a cause, you further assume the cause must be divine in nature.

Now, once you make these assumptions, then yes they form the basis for concluding there must be a cause.....see....If you assume there must be a cause, then there must be a cause.

Furthermore, even if there is some cause, there is no need to assume it is anything other than a purely physical mechanism.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

The need for the Cause is based on the logical fact that we would not be here today verbal juggling with each other if the Primal Cause had not caused the Universe to exist.

So you've just proved, in your rhetoric, that my and your parents are the primal cause. If it weren't for them, we would not be here today verbal juggling with each other.

Now, make your purpose significant to challenge my view by answering my question. Again: If the Universe could not logically have caused itself to exist, it is only obvious that something or Someone that preceded it caused it to exist. Now, make good on your word to challenge mine. Thank you!

Again, make your question pertinent by first defending your assumptions that because something 'is only obvious; to you, that it is logical to conclude such. Last time I checked...well...you know what *** umptions do to your credibility.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Your god...?

Wo wo, well well...everything must have a cause...except god...which proves there is a god!!!! I mean, if everything must have a cause, then there must be a primal cause. And if that primal cause is omnipotent, which it must be, then obviously there is no need to require the cause to have a cause. That would just be silly.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I think you are confused on the term 'logical.' Your so called logical fact does not, at least as far as you've been able to demonstrate, have any relation to a logical presentation.

You assume there must be a cause. And assuming there must be a cause, you further assume the cause must be divine in nature.

Now, once you make these assumptions, then yes they form the basis for concluding there must be a cause.....see....If you assume there must be a cause, then there must be a cause.

Furthermore, even if there is some cause, there is no need to assume it is anything other than a purely physical mechanism.

See now, what you are doing? There is no way to get an answer from an atheist. I knew that from a long time ago. They don't know! As you said, "I'll take the challenge!" That was only to impress other readers. But you don't have what it takes to discuss the existence of HaShem with a Jewish Theist. Why don't you admit up-front to make things easier for us not to waste our time with each other? Pity!