The Big Bang and Evolution

[omega2xx]

Wow - you really are scared

Silly is as silly does.

'll attempt to answer any question, if you'll tell me what it is....

What determines the characteristics of an offspring.


...nor are you to break any bone of it----coming to Jesus, when they saw He was dead, they did not break His legs---for these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, not a bone of Him shall be broken.

 

[ratiocinator]

What determines the characteristics of an offspring.

The genetics of the parent(s) plus mutations (average of about sixty or so for humans), some epigenetic factors, then it depends, in the case of humans, nurturing, education, culture and so on.

Now, about all these scientists who are either stupid, ignorant, or an a vast conspiracy...?

 

[omega2xx]

The genetics of the parent(s) plus mutations (average of about sixty or so for humans), some epigenetic factors, then it depends, in the case of humans, nurturing, education, culture and so on.

Now, about all these scientists who are either stupid, ignorant, or an a vast conspiracy...?

 

[omega2xx]

The genetics of the parent(s) plus mutations (average of about sixty or so for humans), some epigenetic factors, then it depends, in the case of humans, nurturing, education, culture and so on.

Wrong. Mutations do not determine the characteristics. They can only alter the characteristic the kid would hve gotten without the mutation. To say epigenetic factors, nurturing, education and culture determine characteristics in an offspring is beyond ignorant. It shows a complete lack of understanding genetics. One thing and one thing only determines characteristics----genes/

Now, about all these scientists who are either stupid, ignorant, or an a vast conspiracy...?

They are neither stupid, ignorant or part of a conspiracy. That is what they were taught starting in abut the 9th or 10th grade, and they believed it, just as you do and they believe it on faith alone. Can you explain why some well qualified scientist reject evolution using a scientific argument?

...nor are you to break any bone of it----coming to Jesus, when they saw He was dead, they did not break His legs---for these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, not a bone of Him shall be broken.

 

[ratiocinator]

The genetics of the parent(s) plus mutations (average of about sixty or so for humans), some epigenetic factors, then it depends, in the case of humans, nurturing, education, culture and so on.

Now, about all these scientists who are either stupid, ignorant, or an a vast conspiracy...?

Nothing to say?

 

[Evie]

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All human characteristics are determined by the genes of the parents, including eye color, hair color, skin color etc.

If both parents have the gene for blue eyes the eyes of their kids will be blue. If one parent has the gene for blue eyes and one has he gene for brown eyes, the gene that is dominant will determine the eye color. A mutation can change the eye color, but it cant change the species.

I know all that. But how did all the variants come about? human shape colour of skin, eye shape etc. if from one gene pool how could such differences occur?

 

[omega2xx]

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I know all that. But how did all the variants come about? human shape colour of skin, eye shape etc. if from one gene pool how could such differences occur?

In Adam and Eve, God has put all genes necessary for all human characteristics. For all we know Adam and Eve may have been the first mixed marriage---One was black and one was white?


...nor are you to break any bone of it----coming to Jesus, when they saw He was dead, they did not break His legs---for these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, not a bone of Him shall be broken.

 

[ratiocinator]

Wrong. Mutations do not determine the characteristics. They can only alter the characteristic the kid would hve gotten without the mutation. To say epigenetic factors, nurturing, education and culture determine characteristics in an offspring is beyond ignorant. It shows a complete lack of understanding genetics. One thing and one thing only determines characteristics----genes/

If genetics determines the characteristics and a mutation changes the genetics (that's what a mutation is) then a mutation can determine the characteristics. Claiming otherwise is self-contradictory.

As for the accusation of ignorance, I suggest you look up epigenetics and ponder on the vagueness of the term 'characteristic' - I'll then accept your apology.

They are neither stupid, ignorant or part of a conspiracy. That is what they were taught starting in abut the 9th or 10th grade, and they believed it, just as you do and they believe it on faith alone.

Sorry, but this is silly.

Let's take these "laws of genetics" which you go on about. Are you saying that students of genetics and evolution are not taught them? If so, then they are obviously not mainstream science. Are these "laws" only acknowledged by creationists? Because if that is the case, then claiming that 'science' supports your view is dishonest.

Then you neglect the fact that these people go on to do research. They do experiments, look at the evidence themselves, find new evidence that further confirms or challenges what they know, develop new hypotheses and test them. It simply isn't credible that there would be a totally obvious flaw in what they study and yet almost nobody notices.

If there is a problem with it, it must be very, very far from obvious - unless they are all stupid or lying. Certainly not one somebody as obviously ill-informed as yourself would be able to see.

Can you explain why some well qualified scientist reject evolution using a scientific argument?

There really are hardly any scientists with relevant quantifications who are evolution deniers and almost all of those - by a staggering coincidence - have an obvious religious vested interest...

 

[omega2xx]

If genetics determines the characteristics and a mutation changes the genetics (that's what a mutation is) then a mutation can determine the characteristics. Claiming otherwise is self-contradictory.

You continue to show your ignorance of genetics. Mutations do not change the genetics. They alter a characteristic.

As for the accusation of ignorance, I suggest you look up epigenetics and ponder on the vagueness of the term 'characteristic' - I'll then accept your apology.

I did and they have nothing to do with genetics. Characteristic is a term so easy even a cave man with a 2 digit I can understand it.

Let's take these "laws of genetics" which you go on about. Are you saying that students of genetics and evolution are not taught them? If so, then they are obviously not mainstream science. Are these "laws" only acknowledged by creationists? Because if that is the case, then claiming that 'science' supports your view is dishonest.

Why don't you google the laws of genetics. You need some serious help.

Then you neglect the fact that these people go on to do research. They do experiments, look at the evidence themselves, find new evidence that further confirms or challenges what they know, develop new hypotheses and test them. It simply isn't credible that there would be a totally obvious flaw in what they study and yet almost nobody notices.

I have not neglected anything. I stated a proven law accepted by scientists. Why some scientist don't accept it is beyond me. IMO, it is because the were taught incorrectly or not at all.

If there is a problem with it, it must be very, very far from obvious - unless they are all stupid or lying. Certainly not one somebody as obviously ill-informed as yourself would be able to see.

You said it, not me.

There really are hardly any scientists with relevant quantifications who are evolution deniers and almost all of those - by a staggering coincidence - have an obvious religious vested interest...

The have the same advanced degrees as any evolutionists. They have all taught in major universities, and or worked industry and have done some research. Since you don't know who they are, how do you know they have a religious interest that causes them not to understand the science they have their degrees in?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You continue to show your ignorance of genetics. Mutations do not change the genetics. They alter a characteristic.

There is no nice way to put this: You are either 100% wrong? Or you are deliberately lying.

Either way-- what you just said is 100% wrong.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Can you fix and repost this?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

A spiritual truth is one that is true but can't be proved----You must be born again is a spiritual truth.

Then you're using a different definition of truth than I am.

No. Dogma is literal truth.

See above.

All are not born sinners; all are born with a sin nature, that will cause them to sin. A new born baby is not a sinner.

You also each seem to have a different religion.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

IOW, you have no evidence for how they came into being.



Of course real science works. Evolution is not based on real science.



To postulate that nothing can be the source of something is not only absurd and illogical, it is a last ditch effort to try and save a failed theory.



My arguments are not against a science based on what is not known. It is based on a theory that is not based on science at all.

Your reality is disconnected from mine. There doesn't appear to be any common ground.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Can a scientific explanation be given as to why there are varying humans. Such as colour, shape of eyes etc. Is there an explanation as to how this came about?

You might consider developing the habit of consulting Google when you have questions. It's worked well for me.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

All human characteristics are determined by the genes of the parents, including eye color, hair color, skin color etc.

If both parents have the gene for blue eyes the eyes of their kids will be blue. If one parent has the gene for blue eyes and one has he gene for brown eyes, the gene that is dominant will determine the eye color. A mutation can change the eye color, but it cant change the species.

Your science is flawed.

 

[ratiocinator]

Mutations do not change the genetics.

Don't be silly.

Genetic Mutation (Nature Education)

Mutations are changes in the genetic sequence, and they are a main cause of diversity among organisms. These changes occur at many different levels, and they can have widely differing consequences.

Why don't you google the laws of genetics...

...Why some scientist don't accept it is beyond me. IMO, it is because the were taught incorrectly or not at all.

So now you are accusing almost all of the scientists in the world who study genetics and evolution of such complete ignorance of their own subjects that they don't know something that can easily be found out from google.

You do understand what a daft suggestion that is, don't you?

The have the same advanced degrees as any evolutionists. They have all taught in major universities, and or worked industry and have done some research. Since you don't know who they are, how do you know they have a religious interest that causes them not to understand the science they have their degrees in?

How many do you know of who do not support the literal interpretation of some religious creation story?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

How many do you know of who do not support the literal interpretation of some religious creation story?

That would be all of them.

The cognitive dissonance required to have a degree in modern biology, and attempt to maintain faith in a bronze-age book of fables? Written when people did not know where the sun went at night?

Has got to be headache-inducing...

 

[omega2xx]

There is no nice way to put this: You are either 100% wrong? Or you are deliberately lying.

Either way-- what you just said is 100% wrong.

There is a nice way to show this---explain how a mutation can change the species. Until you can, you are the one who does not understand or are lying.

 

[omega2xx]

[QUOTE="It Aint Necessarily So, post: 5150412, member: 61691"]Then you're using a different definition of truth than I am.[/QUOTE]

Thers isn't different truths. There is only a differene in understanding what the truth really is.

See above.

See above

You also each seem to have a different religion.

Now everyone gets to determine which one, if any, is the right one.

 

[omega2xx]

Your reality is disconnected from mine. There doesn't appear to be any common ground.

You finally got something right.



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