The big bang and the creation of the universe.

[idav]

The article admits there is no evidence for anything existing prior to the big bang. For this theory to take off, evidence is required.

That argument works against you. No evidence for god or anything prior to big bang. Take your advice you need evidence for something prior.

 

[idav]

By assuming God is a material being, you conclude He cannot be any different than humans. If humans can't create, then neither can God. However, if God is a spiritual being, our rules don't apply.

Matter and energy creating itself is preposterous. If that were true, science would have discovered it. To date, science has not proposed such an event.

Spiritual is a substance how is it not. I presume monism as opposed to dualism.

Scientists start with the premise of energy. They don't say it created itself , they have theories but debatable. So how did the first cause come about, either created itself or always existed.

 

[fantome profane]

Just because there are many here who cannot consider the possibility that God created the universe, doesn't mean I have to cower and obey their demands.

Of course, I can't explain how God did it. I am not God.

That is fine. But if you can't explain it you can't tell us that it is the explanation. If you can't explain it then it is not an explanation.

I don't expect you to cower to any person here. But if you claim something is an explanation when it is not, you are going to be called on it.

 

[outhouse]

I have not said science can explain God. I have said science cannot explain the beginning of the universe (big bang).

By default God, God did it. What other explanation is there?

If science can explain, what is the argument?

God cannot do anything ay this point scientifically.

Scientifically, god doesn't even exist, so you cannot attribute anything to the concept.

 

[outhouse]

Just because there are many here who cannot consider the possibility that God created the universe, doesn't mean I have to cower and obey their demands.

Of course, I can't explain how God did it. I am not God.

You cannot even state any god exist, let alone attribute anything to it.


This is a science section, your making the same mistake of someone stating Purple unicorns with a bigfoot riding on top like a cowboy created the universe.

Both have the same credibility.


It is a mistake to use faith scientifically.

 

[Repox]

You cannot even state any god exist, let alone attribute anything to it.


This is a science section, your making the same mistake of someone stating Purple unicorns with a bigfoot riding on top like a cowboy created the universe.

Both have the same credibility.


It is a mistake to use faith scientifically.

If you are referring to that article, it said there is no evidence. End of argument. Sorry, evidence is required.

Apparently, you have not read the Bible. I am not obligated to prove something that has already been proven.

 

[Repox]

God cannot do anything ay this point scientifically.

Scientifically, god doesn't even exist, so you cannot attribute anything to the concept.

Science is a tool, it is not an authority for eternal truth.

 

[Repox]

That is fine. But if you can't explain it you can't tell us that it is the explanation. If you can't explain it then it is not an explanation.

I don't expect you to cower to any person here. But if you claim something is an explanation when it is not, you are going to be called on it.

I am calling all of you out. Where is a natural science explanation for the universe. Skip all those bankrupt theories, you know the ones without evidence?

Any one of you can terminate this repetitive debate. Just present a natural science explanation. Then, I would cower to the authority of scientific truth. However, never in a million years, never in a trillion years, will that happened. It is not possible because
God created the universe.

 

[Repox]

God cannot do anything ay this point scientifically.

Scientifically, god doesn't even exist, so you cannot attribute anything to the concept.

You have not been paying attention. Scientifically, there is no explanation for the universe. So, being an intelligent person, you would consider another explanation. I assume that is correct. Well, here it is. God created the universe.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

You have not been paying attention. Scientifically, there is no explanation for the universe. So, being an intelligent person, you would consider another explanation. I assume that is correct. Well, here it is. God created the universe.

Or as an intellegent person admit you don't know.

 

[fantome profane]

You have not been paying attention. Scientifically, there is no explanation for the universe. So, being an intelligent person, you would consider another explanation. I assume that is correct. Well, here it is. God created the universe.

I am happy to consider another explanation. But as you have said you don't have one. You don't understand how "God" could have done it and neither do I.

Be fair here, you can't ask me to consider an explanation that you can't explain to me.

You say there is no scientific explanation. But you must see that there is no divine explanation, there is no "God" explanation.

 

[outhouse]

You have not been paying attention. Scientifically, there is no explanation for the universe. So, being an intelligent person, you would consider another explanation. I assume that is correct. Well, here it is. God created the universe.

Wrong again

First of all you keep repeating your own mistakes, even though you have been shown the errors of your ways.

There is a explanation, its called the expansion.


Biblical mythology of creation has nothing to do with the "expansion" in any way. So you have perverted the original mythology to fit science.

you only have faith in a deity. Nothing else.



scientifically god doesn't exist, and we can not attribute anything to said concept without evidence.

You have no evidence.

 

[camanintx]

It sounds conceivable, but how about a time line? When and where did the first fluctuation come from? I know science doesn't take those questions seriously, but why don't they? If it came from nothing, how is that possible?

If you agree that time and space began with the big bang, then asking questions about when and where are meaningless. If these quantum fluctuations became the universe we now live in, then the only meaningful answers to your question are "now" and "everywhere".

The article admits there is no evidence for anything existing prior to the big bang. For this theory to take off, evidence is required.

And yet you offer a theory which not only has no evidence, but doesn't even attempt to describe what it claims to explain. Did God create the universe out of nothing or did something exist before it? And I settle for just a hypothesis, no evidence required.

 

[gnostic]

Time is a human construct. Before the universe, time didn't exist.

So is eternity.

Eternity is also human construct. The bible is a human construct.

 

[zaybu]

Apparently, you have not read the Bible. I am not obligated to prove something that has already been proven.

The bible is true, because the authors were inspired by God, and that is written in the bible.

 

[Repox]

:faint:

Wrong again

First of all you keep repeating your own mistakes, even though you have been shown the errors of your ways.

There is a explanation, its called the expansion.


Biblical mythology of creation has nothing to do with the "expansion" in any way. So you have perverted the original mythology to fit science.

you only have faith in a deity. Nothing else.



scientifically god doesn't exist, and we can not attribute anything to said concept without evidence.

You have no evidence.

Certainly the rapid inflation from the big bang is a profound event. I never said the bible explains the big bang. I said the Bible is about God, at least for those who believe. You can belittle the Bible all you want. However, it is stupid to criticize ancient civilizations for not being educated about science. That's why we call them ancient, because they did not have our understanding.

Ancients lack of scientific knowledge does not negate experiences with God. God had His hands full trying to make them believe, not enough time for science lessons.

Nonbelievers can't imagine God doing it. I imagine God took a spark of divine light so intense that it would blind you. From there the divine became the universe.

We haven't discussed the reason for the universe. It was to take care of Satan, a rebellious angel causing havoc. The universe is Satan's kingdom, kind of like the vastness of heaven, but with destructive forces in keeping with his evil spirit. That is however another topic.

I don't believe there was anything like vacuum fluctuations or VPs before the big bang. God didn't require a creation kit, He just willed the universe into existence.

 

[johnhanks]

You can belittle the Bible all you want. However, it is stupid to criticize ancient civilizations for not being educated about science. That's why we call them ancient, because they don't have our understanding.

No, we call them ancient because they existed very many generations ago. There is no reason to suppose their brains were any less capable of understanding science than ours.

Ancients lack of scientific knowledge does not negate experiences with God. God had His hands full trying to make them believe, not enough time for science lessons.

God had His hands full? Whatever happened to omnipotence?

Nonbelievers can't imagine God doing it.

Oh, we can imagine it all right; the difference is we know that's what we're doing - imagining.

 

[Thief]

Imagination is the problem part of the mind.
There are no problems you can solve without it.

We who have imagination, DO know what we are doing.

 

[zaybu]

Nonbelievers can't imagine God doing it. I imagine God took a spark of divine light so intense that it would blind you. From there the divine became the universe.

We haven't discussed the reason for the universe. It was to take care of Satan, a rebellious angel causing havoc. The universe is Satan's kingdom, kind of like the vastness of heaven, but with destructive forces in keeping with his evil spirit. That is however another topic.

I don't believe there was anything like vacuum fluctuations or VPs before the big bang. God didn't require a creation kit, He just willed the universe into existence.

It's quite a fairy tale you've got there. God just willed the universe into existence (???) by creating it from a spark of divine light (???), the universe which is now Satan's kingdom (???).

And where does that fairy tale come from? Oh yes, from the bible, and the bible is true because it's the words of God, and that is written in the bible.

LOL.

 

[McBell]

:faint:

Certainly the rapid inflation from the big bang is a profound event. I never said the bible explains the big bang. I said the Bible is about God, at least for those who believe. You can belittle the Bible all you want. However, it is stupid to criticize ancient civilizations for not being educated about science. That's why we call them ancient, because they did not have our understanding.

Ancients lack of scientific knowledge does not negate experiences with God. God had His hands full trying to make them believe, not enough time for science lessons.

Nonbelievers can't imagine God doing it. I imagine God took a spark of divine light so intense that it would blind you. From there the divine became the universe.

We haven't discussed the reason for the universe. It was to take care of Satan, a rebellious angel causing havoc. The universe is Satan's kingdom, kind of like the vastness of heaven, but with destructive forces in keeping with his evil spirit. That is however another topic.

I don't believe there was anything like vacuum fluctuations or VPs before the big bang. God didn't require a creation kit, He just willed the universe into existence.

Exactly.
You have taken the "answer" 'Goddidit' and have filled in all the other blanks with whatever suits your fancy.

That is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.

Now you are trying real hard to convince yourself that your wishful thinking somehow trumps the scientific method.

The problem is that those familiar with the scientific method, and not your perverted version of it, are not the least bit convinced.