The Book of Revelation.................

[Poet-Troll]

I've read the thread and now I see
How many here are faithfully
Reporting good insights to read.
It's better than I thought, agreed.
I'll just make one remark about
The dating of the book with doubt.
Craig noted early dating might
Be valid. I find that insight
Of value. In another thread
I quoted a thing that was said
By Sergei Tokarev,* to wit,
That Revelation came to sit
As early as 60 A.D.
And was earliest book to see
In the New Testament's decree.

Sergei Tokarev, History of Religion, Progreess Publishers, Moscow, 1989, page 325.

 

[logician]

It is interesting how a madman writes a book, and many take it literally. After 2K+ years though, hopefully some may be catching on that is WAS just the ramblings of a madman.

 

[Bennettresearch]

It is interesting how a madman writes a book, and many take it literally. After 2K+ years though, hopefully some may be catching on that is WAS just the ramblings of a madman.

It takes one to know one.

 

[Bennettresearch]

I've read the thread and now I see
How many here are faithfully
Reporting good insights to read.
It's better than I thought, agreed.
I'll just make one remark about
The dating of the book with doubt.
Craig noted early dating might
Be valid. I find that insight
Of value. In another thread
I quoted a thing that was said
By Sergei Tokarev,* to wit,
That Revelation came to sit
As early as 60 A.D.
And was earliest book to see
In the New Testament's decree.

Sergei Tokarev, History of Religion, Progreess Publishers, Moscow, 1989, page 325.

Thank you for the reference. I wasn't aware of this author and I'll check him out. I can't back this up with historical data, but it looks like John wrote this after the War of the Jews and definitely after Paul's writings were spreading around.
Craig

 

[Bennettresearch]

The woman of Rev. 17 is a great false church/religion. Now think about this for a second. Verse 4 says she is arrayed in purple and scarlet. In what church are those colors worn. You are right the beast of Rev. 17 is a political system but it is the European Union, and it's final king/leader is the beast. There is a huge push by the Roman Catholic Church for Europe to reunite and rediscover it's Roman Catholic roots. This will be the final revival of the Holy Roman Empire. The ten horns are ten kings that will give all authority to the beast. The false church/prophet will cause all who dwell on the earth [except Gods elect] to worship the beast. The beast and the false prophet/antichrist will persecute Gods true church and martyr many of the true Saints of God. The the beast will turn on the woman and destroy her Then the beast and all his followers will fight Christ at his second coming.

Now that I have read this more carefully, I have some further comments. If the false prophet causes those on earth to worship the Anitchrist, and this is represented as the Roman Catholic Church, then the false prophet has already come. His name was Paul, as pointed out in chapter 13. The spin has already taken on enormous proportions as everyone believes that the Antichrist's number is 666 and this person will be hated an reviled. The only problem with this is that chapter 13 ends by describing Jesus as having the number 666 and the 3rd beast in chapter 13, Rev 13:11, Constantine, was supposed to cause us all to wear the mark, number, or name of Jesus on our foreheads or on our forearms. This didn't happen exactly like that but all were caused to wear the mark of the beast, the Cross to identify themselves as Christians after the fourth century.

Everyone is poised to take out Jesus in defense of the Roman Catholic Church and all of its progeny who wear the mark of the beast, which is the cross. Me personally, I'm tired of hearing everyone refer to the number 666 as being Satan, the Antichrist, or laughably, Nero. Chapter 13 says this is Jesus, the beast in Rev 13:14. If only people could actually read.

Craig

 

[URAVIP2ME]

RE: Rev 13:11-14

The 2-horned beast of verse 11 is not lamb-like, or innocent, as the beast's 'lamb-like horns' would want to indicate because this 2-horned beast in verse 14 deceives or misleads those that dwell on the earth. It does this by means of miracles or signs in the sight of the beast. Which beast, but the 7-headed beast of verse one. This 2-horned beast of verse 11 tells those who dwell on earth to make an 'image' to the 7-headed beast which had the wound by a sword yet survived and lives. By the 2-horned beast wanting mankind to make an 'image' of the 7-headed beast its purpose would be to promote not worship of God, but worship of the 7-headed beast.

 

[Bennettresearch]

RE: Rev 13:11-14

The 2-horned beast of verse 11 is not lamb-like, or innocent, as the beast's 'lamb-like horns' would want to indicate because this 2-horned beast in verse 14 deceives or misleads those that dwell on the earth. It does this by means of miracles or signs in the sight of the beast. Which beast, but the 7-headed beast of verse one. This 2-horned beast of verse 11 tells those who dwell on earth to make an 'image' to the 7-headed beast which had the wound by a sword yet survived and lives. By the 2-horned beast wanting mankind to make an 'image' of the 7-headed beast its purpose would be to promote not worship of God, but worship of the 7-headed beast.

Really makes no sense

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Really makes no sense

It helps make sense when we see the four beasts of Daniel 7:3-7 are connected to world powers or past governments. Daniel 8:3-8; 20-25 for example: the 'ram' is the kings of Media and Persia, and the 'goat' is king of Greece. Those political empires had beast-like qualities, and even in modern times governments have acted beastly toward God's humble meek people.

The 8th king or the image in Revelation is what represents all of the world's governments. The world's political powers are imaged or represented by the United Nations instead of God's kingdom as the solution to mankind's problems.
Only Jesus (1 Thess 5:2,3) can usher in Peace on Earth, and as King of Kings Jesus will do this with his angelic armies to rid the earth of all wickedness.


Rev 19:11,14,15; Isaiah 11:4; Psalm 92:7; 37:11,29,38; Proverbs 2:21,22

 

[Bennettresearch]

It helps make sense when we see the four beasts of Daniel 7:3-7 are connected to world powers or past governments. Daniel 8:3-8; 20-25 for example: the 'ram' is the kings of Media and Persia, and the 'goat' is king of Greece. Those political empires had beast-like qualities, and even in modern times governments have acted beastly toward God's humble meek people.

The 8th king or the image in Revelation is what represents all of the world's governments. The world's political powers are imaged or represented by the United Nations instead of God's kingdom as the solution to mankind's problems.
Only Jesus (1 Thess 5:2,3) can usher in Peace on Earth, and as King of Kings Jesus will do this with his angelic armies to rid the earth of all wickedness.


Rev 19:11,14,15; Isaiah 11:4; Psalm 92:7; 37:11,29,38; Proverbs 2:21,22

Perhaps you should take up writing fiction. You seem to be good at it.

 

[Composer]

It is really a waste of time trying to unravel the self contradicting story book, however it is entertaining to see how various denominations abuse the story book text in an attempt (allbe they futile) to justify their particular ideology.

The claim of this story book is that it is the supposed word of an almighty and non-confusing god (1 Cor. 14:33) Alas, the reality is, that this story book has confounded and confused (and still does) so many alleged scholars, individuals and their ideologies etc, resulting in the myriad of religions ' all claiming ' to be the legitimate one, when in fact there is NO legitimate evidence to support any of their ' Jesus story book based ideologies '.

Cheers!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Composer-

The result of the 'myriads of religions' is not due to a book written by the apostle John called Revelation.

Mankind can trace its religious family tree back to its roots in ancient pagan Babylon.
As the pagan peoples migrated from Mesopotamia they spread their pagan religious practices and traditions and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. False religious practices are linked to the old pagan city of Babylon.
-Rev 18:21,22. Today there is a mixing or fusion of pagan ideas with Christian names or labels attached to dress them up as Christian teachings although not found in first-century Christian teachings.

Why else would a person belong to religion unless they believed it was the right one?
The world values a well-rounded secular education. Jesus already at age 12 had a well-rounded Scriptural education on which to reason and base his beliefs.

Revelation does not contradict what the prophet Daniel wrote. Daniel helps us to understand some of the vivid symbolism in Revelation. Revelation is a revealing.
In the case of the book of Revelation, it is a revealing of the future.
The happy words of Rev 21:4 sound just like a description of the paradisaic Garden of Eden.
The happy climax of Revelation is that the original conditions of Genesis will come pass during Jesus peaceful thousand-year reign over earth. What is so hard to understand about that?

If there is no legitimate evidence then how do you explain the dangerous religious climate brewing in the earth today? With backing the United Nations can be strengthened to turn on the world's religious sector that have abused the 'story' as you call it by playing false to God. Because the churches have played false to God they are confused as the people at the tower of Babel. The Revelation given by Jesus to John will end with healing or curing of the nations (Rev 22:22) in fulfillment to the promise to Abraham that all the families of the earth will be blessed, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed.
Genesis 12:3; 22:17,18.

 

[Composer]

Composer-

The result of the 'myriads of religions' is not due to a book written by the apostle John called Revelation.

I agree, my point was that a supposed story book God that isn't supposed to be the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33) KJV story book, is just the opposite, i.e. the story book author of mass confusion, hence the myriad of stroy book ideologies.

Mankind can trace its religious family tree back to its roots in ancient pagan Babylon.

And probably even before then?

As the pagan peoples migrated from Mesopotamia they spread their pagan religious practices and traditions and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. False religious practices are linked to the old pagan city of Babylon.
-Rev 18:21,22. Today there is a mixing or fusion of pagan ideas with Christian names or labels attached to dress them up as Christian teachings although not found in first-century Christian teachings.

You would have to detail specifics but I agree with your fundamental point.

Why else would a person belong to religion unless they believed it was the right one?

Well many embrace one until a better one ever comes along.

The world values a well-rounded secular education. Jesus already at age 12 had a well-rounded Scriptural education on which to reason and base his beliefs.

So the story book says. I believe Jewish children today start studying their Torah story book from their infancy?

Revelation does not contradict what the prophet Daniel wrote. Daniel helps us to understand some of the vivid symbolism in Revelation. Revelation is a revealing.
In the case of the book of Revelation, it is a revealing of the future.

They are all just stories.

The happy words of Rev 21:4 sound just like a description of the paradisaic Garden of Eden.

The alleged Paradise of Eden is also a none sense for literal Satan being believers, for a Paradise wouldn't permit evil fallen heavenly angel spirit beings to enter it and try to disrupt the paradise environment.

The happy climax of Revelation is that the original conditions of Genesis will come pass during Jesus peaceful thousand-year reign over earth. What is so hard to understand about that?

Because it's all story book clap-trap and illegitimate propaganda!

If there is no legitimate evidence then how do you explain the dangerous religious climate brewing in the earth today?

The corrupt human mind is capable of fabricating any evil it wishes. (Even the story book says so cf. Jer. 17:9)

With backing the United Nations can be strengthened to turn on the world's religious sector that have abused the 'story' as you call it by playing false to God. Because the churches have played false to God they are confused as the people at the tower of Babel. The Revelation given by Jesus to John will end with healing or curing of the nations (Rev 22:22) in fulfillment to the promise to Abraham that all the families of the earth will be blessed, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed.
Genesis 12:3; 22:17,18.

Story book evidence is not legitimate evidence.

Thanks for your response!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Thank you for your reply Composer

Not story-book evidence, but the world's bad religious climate brewing in the world today.
Can it be denied? Do you think it possible that the political sector could turn on the world's bad religious sector? Even with a bad economy the political world could want the queenly wealth (Rev 18:7) of the world's bad religious sector.

More than the mind fabricating any evil it wishes, but the treacherous heart.- Jer 17:9

Satan was not 'fallen' when he first entered Eden according to Ezekiel 28:14. Satan was supposed to be their covering cherub to watch over or oversee and protect.

Right. Even before Babel. But meaning mankind in general not the Hebrew line for the Messiah. They were not at Babel.

 

[Composer]

Thank you for your reply Composer

Not story-book evidence, but the world's bad religious climate brewing in the world today.

Last I heard christianity is in rapid decline in educated countries?

Can it be denied? Do you think it possible that the political sector could turn on the world's bad religious sector? Even with a bad economy the political world could want the queenly wealth (Rev 18:7) of the world's bad religious sector.

Man has always been corrupt and the bible formed a corrupt way to manipulate as many as would fall for its entirely man made content.

More than the mind fabricating any evil it wishes, but the treacherous heart.- Jer 17:9

NET translates heart as mind (cf. KJV story book)

Satan was not 'fallen' when he first entered Eden according to Ezekiel 28:14. Satan was supposed to be their covering cherub to watch over or oversee and protect.

Though it becomes discussing story book tales for the sake of open discussion I will quote some points borrowing from wrestedscriptures.com (Re: Ezek. 28:13-15) (Full response at wrestedscriptures.com)

Solution:

1. This passage nowhere mentions the terms "devil", "satan", or "fallen angel". The argument in support of a "fallen angel" interpretation, is therefore, an inferred argument.
2. The anointed cherub (accepting the A.V. translation)2 is identified in the passage, but not with a rebel angel: "Son of man, say unto the prince3 of Tyrus . . ." (vs. 2). In chapters 26 and 27 prophecies recorded the then impending doom of the city of Tyre.
3. Some questions require answering:
   1. In chapters 26 and 27 of Ezekiel's prophecy the destruction of Tyre is recorded - and literally enough, since today the site of ancient Tyre is like "the top of a rock . . . a place to spread nets upon" and has never been rebuilt. (Ezek. 26:14). The remainder of chapter 28 is a prophecy directed against Sidon and the future restoration of Israel. Why, in this context, would the prophet introduce a "revelation" about the origin of Satan?
   2. If Satan is a rebel angel, why is he called "a man"? (vs. 2, 9 R.S.V.).
   3. Does Satan the devil really traffic in riches - gold and silver? (vs. 4, 5). Is not his concern for humans?
   4. It is said by J.W.'s that Satan rebelled "because of developing a greed for power over mankind."4 But how is this to be squared with vs. 4, 5 "and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches"?
   5. Since Jesus stated that angels do not die: "neither can they [children of the resurrection] die any more: for they are equal unto the angels' (Luke 20:36), how is Satan to die "by the hand of strangers" (vs. 10), to be devoured by fire and brought "to ashes" (vs. 18), and "to be no more for ever" (vs. 19, R.S.V.)? . . . . . . . . . . . .

You also seem to have avoided the fact that the Hebrew Term ' Satan ' is NOT a proper name?

It simply means ANY Adversary. Male or Female or Neuter gender. Good or Bad.

Right. Even before Babel. But meaning mankind in general not the Hebrew line for the Messiah. They were not at Babel.

?

Cheers!

 

[Bennettresearch]

It is really a waste of time trying to unravel the self contradicting story book, however it is entertaining to see how various denominations abuse the story book text in an attempt (allbe they futile) to justify their particular ideology.

The claim of this story book is that it is the supposed word of an almighty and non-confusing god (1 Cor. 14:33) Alas, the reality is, that this story book has confounded and confused (and still does) so many alleged scholars, individuals and their ideologies etc, resulting in the myriad of religions ' all claiming ' to be the legitimate one, when in fact there is NO legitimate evidence to support any of their ' Jesus story book based ideologies '.

Cheers!

This is all very arrogant and self serving tripe. Granted, there is a lot of imaginative fiction written about this prophecy, but the core of it, that which has not been added by other authors, has a definitive message. Check out my thread on Debunking the Anitchrist myth. Go ahead and try to refute it.
Craig

 

[Bennettresearch]

Composer-

The result of the 'myriads of religions' is not due to a book written by the apostle John called Revelation.

Mankind can trace its religious family tree back to its roots in ancient pagan Babylon.
As the pagan peoples migrated from Mesopotamia they spread their pagan religious practices and traditions and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. False religious practices are linked to the old pagan city of Babylon.
-Rev 18:21,22. Today there is a mixing or fusion of pagan ideas with Christian names or labels attached to dress them up as Christian teachings although not found in first-century Christian teachings.

Why else would a person belong to religion unless they believed it was the right one?
The world values a well-rounded secular education. Jesus already at age 12 had a well-rounded Scriptural education on which to reason and base his beliefs.

Revelation does not contradict what the prophet Daniel wrote. Daniel helps us to understand some of the vivid symbolism in Revelation. Revelation is a revealing.
In the case of the book of Revelation, it is a revealing of the future.
The happy words of Rev 21:4 sound just like a description of the paradisaic Garden of Eden.
The happy climax of Revelation is that the original conditions of Genesis will come pass during Jesus peaceful thousand-year reign over earth. What is so hard to understand about that?

If there is no legitimate evidence then how do you explain the dangerous religious climate brewing in the earth today? With backing the United Nations can be strengthened to turn on the world's religious sector that have abused the 'story' as you call it by playing false to God. Because the churches have played false to God they are confused as the people at the tower of Babel. The Revelation given by Jesus to John will end with healing or curing of the nations (Rev 22:22) in fulfillment to the promise to Abraham that all the families of the earth will be blessed, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed.
Genesis 12:3; 22:17,18.

I call this post lost in space. Your biggest error is the constant ranting about Daniel. You have totally removed Daniel from its historical context and projected it into a fantasy futre scenario. Hellllllllloooooooooooo. The Apocalypse of Daniel happend in 66 AD with the War of the Jews, the destruction of the Temple and finally the diaspora. You act like this never happened and this prophecy is just waiting to be fulfilled.

Your second departure from reality is the denial that Revelation has anything to do with the first century christian church. It has everything to do with it and predicts the future actions of this church taken over by Roman citizens and made to appeal to such. Paul was a Roman citizen. You also have it all wrong when refer to the beast in 13:11 as following the beast at the opening of the chapter. WRONG. John transitions the Head in 13:3 into the first beast of 13:12. The beast whose wound was healed.

You keep telling people to read this or that and argue constantly and correct people or tell them they are wrong, when you can't even read chapter 13 correctly. Let alone make a proper interpretation of this chapter.

Craig

 

[Bennettresearch]

Last I heard christianity is in rapid decline in educated countries?


Man has always been corrupt and the bible formed a corrupt way to manipulate as many as would fall for its entirely man made content.


NET translates heart as mind (cf. KJV story book)


Though it becomes discussing story book tales for the sake of open discussion I will quote some points borrowing from wrestedscriptures.com (Re: Ezek. 28:13-15) (Full response at wrestedscriptures.com)

Solution:

1. This passage nowhere mentions the terms "devil", "satan", or "fallen angel". The argument in support of a "fallen angel" interpretation, is therefore, an inferred argument.
2. The anointed cherub (accepting the A.V. translation)2 is identified in the passage, but not with a rebel angel: "Son of man, say unto the prince3 of Tyrus . . ." (vs. 2). In chapters 26 and 27 prophecies recorded the then impending doom of the city of Tyre.
3. Some questions require answering:
   1. In chapters 26 and 27 of Ezekiel's prophecy the destruction of Tyre is recorded - and literally enough, since today the site of ancient Tyre is like "the top of a rock . . . a place to spread nets upon" and has never been rebuilt. (Ezek. 26:14). The remainder of chapter 28 is a prophecy directed against Sidon and the future restoration of Israel. Why, in this context, would the prophet introduce a "revelation" about the origin of Satan?
   2. If Satan is a rebel angel, why is he called "a man"? (vs. 2, 9 R.S.V.).
   3. Does Satan the devil really traffic in riches - gold and silver? (vs. 4, 5). Is not his concern for humans?
   4. It is said by J.W.'s that Satan rebelled "because of developing a greed for power over mankind."4 But how is this to be squared with vs. 4, 5 "and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches"?
   5. Since Jesus stated that angels do not die: "neither can they [children of the resurrection] die any more: for they are equal unto the angels' (Luke 20:36), how is Satan to die "by the hand of strangers" (vs. 10), to be devoured by fire and brought "to ashes" (vs. 18), and "to be no more for ever" (vs. 19, R.S.V.)? . . . . . . . . . . . .

You also seem to have avoided the fact that the Hebrew Term ' Satan ' is NOT a proper name?

It simply means ANY Adversary. Male or Female or Neuter gender. Good or Bad.


?

Cheers!

(vs. 2, 9 R.S.V.). ??????? You need to be more specific in your references. I would be happy to check your interpretation of these scriptural quotes but many of your references are meaningless.

Like I've been trying to point out, Ezekiel was finished when Cyrus brought the Jews back from Babylon and commisioned the rebuilding of the Temple. All done. These supposed interpretors of Revelation keep dragging prophecies that have a different historical context into the future and create fantasy scenarios around them. Revelation has its own historical context in the first century after the destruction of the Temple. It was all over and christianity was Jesus and John's main concern. There are OT references in Revelation, but it is not a continuation of older prophecies, it is about a different subject and a different time.

Craig

 

[Composer]

This is all very arrogant and self serving tripe.

It is regrettable that you find Truth as arrogant and self serving tripe. I consider it confidence that the biblical text is nothing more than a story book written by men as a means of attempting to control as many as will fall for it as credible.

Granted, there is a lot of imaginative fiction written about this prophecy, but the core of it, that which has not been added by other authors, has a definitive message.

Yes Harry Potter books also have a message but that is also a fictional story book.

Check out my thread on Debunking the Anitchrist myth. Go ahead and try to refute it.

I shall try to locate the Thread and respond. A Link from you would have helped?

Let's hope your Thread first establishes that the story book is to be taken as literal and why?

Cheers!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Last I heard christianity is in rapid decline in educated countries?
Man has always been corrupt and the bible formed a corrupt way to manipulate as many as would fall for its entirely man made content.
NET translates heart as mind (cf. KJV story book)
Though it becomes discussing story book tales for the sake of open discussion I will quote some points borrowing from wrestedscriptures.com (Re: Ezek. 28:13-15) (Full response at wrestedscriptures.com)
Solution:

1. This passage nowhere mentions the terms "devil", "satan", or "fallen angel". The argument in support of a "fallen angel" interpretation, is therefore, an inferred argument.
2. The anointed cherub (accepting the A.V. translation)2 is identified in the passage, but not with a rebel angel: "Son of man, say unto the prince3 of Tyrus . . ." (vs. 2). In chapters 26 and 27 prophecies recorded the then impending doom of the city of Tyre.
3. Some questions require answering:
   1. In chapters 26 and 27 of Ezekiel's prophecy the destruction of Tyre is recorded - and literally enough, since today the site of ancient Tyre is like "the top of a rock . . . a place to spread nets upon" and has never been rebuilt. (Ezek. 26:14). The remainder of chapter 28 is a prophecy directed against Sidon and the future restoration of Israel. Why, in this context, would the prophet introduce a "revelation" about the origin of Satan?
   2. If Satan is a rebel angel, why is he called "a man"? (vs. 2, 9 R.S.V.).
   3. Does Satan the devil really traffic in riches - gold and silver? (vs. 4, 5). Is not his concern for humans?
   4. It is said by J.W.'s that Satan rebelled "because of developing a greed for power over mankind."4 But how is this to be squared with vs. 4, 5 "and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches"?
   5. Since Jesus stated that angels do not die: "neither can they [children of the resurrection] die any more: for they are equal unto the angels' (Luke 20:36), how is Satan to die "by the hand of strangers" (vs. 10), to be devoured by fire and brought "to ashes" (vs. 18), and "to be no more for ever" (vs. 19, R.S.V.)? . . . . . . . . . . . .You also seem to have avoided the fact that the Hebrew Term ' Satan ' is NOT a proper nameIt simply means ANY Adversary. Male or Female or Neuter gender. Good or BadCheers!

Right, Satan [nor Devil] is a proper name. Satan means resister and Devil means slanderer. Angels do not die a natural death only by destruction as Satan the devil is not death proof but will be destroyed by Jesus according to Hebrews 2:14 B. Satan is a sinner and all sinners die. We from Adamic death and Satan from the destruction of second death of no return..
Genesis 3:15 Jesus deals Satan a fatal death bruise to his head.

Was the king of Tyre was in Eden? No Was the king of Tyre a covering cherub (angel) in Eden. No. So those references are toward Satan.

You have heard right about so-called Christianity decline.
It is out of date to call Christendom as meaning 1st Century Christianity.
The realm of Christendom has watered down Scriptures and the people are drying up. 2nd Tim 3:5,13 just a form or facade of godliness.

People of the earth are likened to many waters at Rev 17:2,15
[like the restless sea of mankind- Isaiah 57:20]
and just as the water of the river Euphrates was dried up before the fall of ancient Babylon, so too the waters or religious people will dry up, decline.
- Rev 16:12; Jeremiah 50:38; 51:36,37

Right too about Biblical corruption.
Jesus said it first at Matthew 7:15 to watch out for religious wolves in sheep's clothing.
Luke also warned -Acts 20:29,30- about false wolf-like clergy starting back at the end of the first century.
This ties in with Jesus illustration of the Wheat and the Weeds [tares] how they would grow together until the harvest time of separation. False weed-like Christians would be among the genuine wheat-like Christians throughout the centuries until the time of Matthew 25:31,32 when Jesus separates the sheep [wheat] to his right hand of favor.

 

[Composer]

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[/list]Right, Satan [nor Devil] is a proper name. Satan means resister and Devil means slanderer. Angels do not die a natural death only by destruction as Satan the devil is not death proof but will be destroyed by Jesus according to Hebrews 2:14 B.

Since then the children have been sharers of flesh and blood, also he in like manner partook of the of them, so that by means of the death he might make powerless him the strength having of the death, that is the accuser, (Heb. 2:14) EMPHATIC DIAGLOTT NT Greek to English Interlinear.

How does this Jesus' death allegedly destroy an alleged naughty spirit angel being?

Satan is a sinner and all sinners die.

There is no such a literal thing as a naughty fallen heavenly angel spirit being in the story book.

Luke 1:35 explains that NO heavenly angel can ever ' fall '.

The confusion is caused by the sunderstanding of the translation to ' angels '.

The Greek ' angel = angelos ' refers to both Heavenly angels AND mortals in privileged positions -

(From some of my Study Notes) -
The term "angels" does not relate exclusively to heavenly beings, but also refers to mortal men set in authority (see Rev. 2:1, 2:8, 2:18, etc), or appointed to a specific work. The word is translated "messenger" in Matt. 11:10; Mark 1:2; Luke 7:24, 7:27, 9:52; James 2:25, KJS and obviously relates to mortal men. (See also: 2 Peter 2: 4)
(Re: The "claim" that "Sons of God" must! refer to divine angels, is NOT accurate either. (It does in fact, actually refer to humans in Deut. 14: 1, R.S.V.; Psa. 82: 6, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1)


In essence therefore, as you appreciate I know this book is a man made story book, however to correct your misunderstandings I use the text which most misunderstand on top of everything else.

i.e. The ' fallen angels ' refer to MORTALS. (e.g. The Pope corrupts his privileged position and preaches falsely, regarded as God's messenger (angel) he has become a ' fallen angel ')

We from Adamic death and Satan from the destruction of second death of no return..

Genesis 3:15 Jesus deals Satan a fatal death bruise to his head.

The Serpent Creature WAS NOT the alleged Satan, because it was only said to have been ' manipulated / used ' by it. (Another lie allegedly based upon Rev. 12:9 which even then does NOT support your / their claims)

I'll explain why -

And was cast the dragon the great, the serpent the old, the one being called accuser, and the adversary, the one deceiving the habitable whole, was cast into the earth, and the messengers of him with him were cast. (Rev. 12:9) EMPHATIC DIAGLOTT NT Interlinear
As you should know the Serpent Creature DID NOT deceive Adam (1 Tim. 2:14) therefore the Serpent described in Rev. 12:9 IS NOT the same Serpent creature of Genesis-Eden narrativeough man have tried that foolishness for centuries.


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