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The Cause for Poverty

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
I would offer that many people around the world living " in poverty " according to the ideal american middle class definition, probably don't start to consider themselves " poor " until they start comparing to what other people have
On the other end of the spectrum, you would probably be hard pressed to find a person who would consider themselves one of "the rich".
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Ok, so Warren Buffet possesses about 80 billion dollars. He earned it through his financial dealings.
Is that wealth or greed?

Are the corporations involved paying their fair share of taxes?

One huge problem we have is that it's become legal for corporations to be parasites on our society. So I'm NOT talking about what's legal.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
What about this idea?
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

Have you tried to teach something to a starving person while you hoard all the fishes? Also fishing is rather easy when there is no competition. The more people learn how to fish, the more difficult it gets. It's also assuming that people who are poor don't know how to do stuff instead of failling a doing the stuff they know how to do due a confluence of factors like talent, luck, competition, etc.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
What do you believe causes poverty?
What do you believe the solution is?

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I don't at this time have a position to advocate. That may change, but I am curious about what other people think.

Not nothing from nothing, but she seems fairly well dressed with what appears to be some expensive kicks to be wallowing in poverty. How about giving us a picture of poverty in some third world dictatorship just for comparison.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
What do you believe causes poverty?
What do you believe the solution is?

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I don't at this time have a position to advocate. That may change, but I am curious about what other people think.

Today I am working in Watts California. I see people who just don't care... About anything.

I saw a little girl fall off the monkey bars, and her parents weren't even there.

From today in the projects:
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BSM1

What? Me worry?
Are the corporations involved paying their fair share of taxes?

One huge problem we have is that it's become legal for corporations to be parasites on our society. So I'm NOT talking about what's legal.


Corporations do not pay taxes! You do in the price of the product.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The big fishing industry has just emptied the oceans and what is still left will be killed by global warming.

They were fulfilling a need. If folks could do their own fishing, the need would disappear. Our lack of knowledge creates a need which can be "exploited" if you want to look at it like that.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Not nothing from nothing, but she seems fairly well dressed with what appears to be some expensive kicks to be wallowing in poverty. How about giving us a picture of poverty in some third world dictatorship just for comparison.

This suggestion is - apparently - coming from the two wrongs make it right perspective?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Wait, what?

Of course corporations are SUPPOSED to pay taxes.

Corporations cover the cost of taxes by charges more for their goods or services which may end up putting those goods or services out of the reach of the income challenged.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Ok, so Warren Buffet possesses about 80 billion dollars. He earned it through his financial dealings.
Is that wealth or greed?

His tax rate was much lower than the average working stiff. I'll give him the work but not the low tax rate.

Outside of fair taxation, I also think it's useful to focus on what someone does with one's money. Some try to improve society and some wallow in their cash.

How about giving us a picture of poverty in some third world dictatorship just for comparison.

India is hardly a dictatorship but I saw abject poverty when I visited there during the 1970's and 1980's. They've come a long way since then for many.

The question is better addressed as others are doing on a universal level - what causes poverty not comparing poverty in the US to poverty in India or Nigeria.

Corporations do not pay taxes! You do in the price of the product.

But corporations are people. And if I make a product as a partnership why should I have to pay taxes when corporations do not. Why should they get an unfair advantage. Let's treat all business profits the same whether corporate, partnerships or individuals.

What is the solution for greed?

Greed will be with us until humanity grows up more. Government action can minimize the impact of greed.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Corporations cover the cost of taxes by charges more for their goods or services which may end up putting those goods or services out of the reach of the income challenged.

So far, so good. But - in theory - the next step is that they use that revenue to pay their fair share of taxes. What's happening a lot these days is that the corporations collect the revenue, and have found legal ways to keep too much of it and not pay the taxes they "ought" to be paying.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Wait, what?

Of course corporations are SUPPOSED to pay taxes.

You obliviously have never been in business. Any tax imposed on a business is passed right along to the consumer. Taxes, like insurance, overhead, etc., is considered a cost of doing business and you, dear consumer, pay said costs. Don't just believe me, look up some Economics 101.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
So far, so good. But - in theory - the next step is that they use that revenue to pay their fair share of taxes. What's happening a lot these days is that the corporations collect the revenue, and have found legal ways to keep too much of it and not pay the taxes they "ought" to be paying.


Again you are laboring under a false delusion.
 
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