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The change from Amanaki to Conscious thoughts
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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Its weird this happened right at the time The Artis Magistra went bye bye too! What is going on? A New American President even!? Trump represents your Ego and is trying to hold on!
SeekerOnThePath
On a mountain between Nietzsche and Islam
God bless brother, you're one of the most sincere posters I've met here yet and one of my favorite users. Keep up the great work brother
SeekerOnThePath
On a mountain between Nietzsche and Islam
Sunnis believe that Muhammad was succeeded by election led by a man named Umar, the person they believe was elected was Abu Bakr. This person is referred to as a Caliph. From there, Sunnis believe there were four righteous Caliphates, there were other Caliphates however up until the Ottomans who were dismantled by the imperial west in the early 20th century.
For Sunnis the sucessorship is just a political matter.
Shias believer that Muhammad was succeeded by his son-in-law and cousin, Ali Ibn Abi Talib, and that the role of the successor is a spiritual role foremost that is only decided by God. The role of these successors, termed Imams, is one typified by the idea of initiation and hidden knowledge, it's basically esoteric and mystical. There were twelve of the Imams, the last of them (born in the 9th century) is in a state known as occultation and believed to be the Mahdi (future messiah figure) who is currently in an incorporeal state but will reappear during the day of judgement.
two questions:
1 - I'm curious as to why you made the name change?
2 - From our previous discussions, I know you take your religious and spiritual growth quite seriously. I wonder if you can tell me what you think about the numerous scriptural claims that "Allah is merciful"? To be honest, I find Islamic scripture casts Allah as the opposite of merciful.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Thank you @SeekerOnThePathGod bless brother, you're one of the most sincere posters I've met here yet and one of my favorite users. Keep up the great work brother
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
1: the lose of the identity Amanaki happend some days ago, it was no longer a name to identify with, Conscious thoughts is only thoughts no identity to hold on to, A name is given to a person at birth, not chose by the being it self
2: Allah is merciful to those who live a righteous life, those who do not but claiming to be of good people ( ego) will know suffering.
The suffering in the world is not "created" by Allah, it is the wrongdoing in words, action and thoughts from human beings who is the cause of all suffering.
When wrongdoing happen toward others or to once own being it is a sin or what Asia call karma. It is the reaction to action done in ill intention.
What about the "innocent" people who die seemingly for no reason? From scriptures it is said to be those who in the past accumulated to much sin, so they are taken away.
No one have to believe in words in this post if sound or feels unnatural to them, feel free to have your view
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Have you booted Unconscious Thoughts into touch, are discriminating against such, or just ignoring their being as much a part of you?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Both conscious thoughts and unconscious thoughts is still there, the difference is there is no longer any clinging to the unconscious thoughts or what those thoughts are. It is just thoughts.Have you booted Unconscious Thoughts into touch, are discriminating against such, or just ignoring their being as much a part of you?
The awarness of each conscious thought is there, knowing "why" this thought are important and why some thoughts are not worth holding on to.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
YesHi.....
Question:
Are you still with your Muslim girlfriend?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Good!
That seems consistent with the claims in the scripture. But what I'm curious about is not claims of mercifulness, but actual demonstrations of Allah being merciful? Do you see the distinction?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Only Allah would be able to show the mercy possible to gain, a human being are in no position to show to an other human being what Allah can or can not give.
What can be done is when a follower of the teaching of Allah use the teaching to do good, to forgive others for doing wrong, showing compassion toward any other being on earth.
That is to show mercy in the way Allah would do it.
Unfortunately many who claim to know the teachings do not use it to show mercy, but to boost their own ego. That is how a spiritual teaching and its followers gain a bad rep.
Is it fair for me to rephrase this as: Allah doesn't demonstrate his mercifulness in the scripture, he asks us to take it on faith?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
If that is your understanding you have your free right to take it that way. Others who read it may end up understanding it differently, something that is fully ok too.
To understand when Allah is merciful to us, the only way is to practice the teaching, that is when the sign become clear and it is possible to feel the mercy upon us.
Allah is only known through practicing the teaching, so no human being can know Allah fully personally. End of self/personally are a way to understand Allah on a deeper level of wisdom.
Hi CT, Im asking what your take is.
Would it be fair to rephrase your answer to be: "Allah's mercifulness is not demonstrated in the scripture, but it might be felt individually by a believer." ?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
As answered before if you feel it is ok to rephrase it, do it.Hi CT, Im asking what your take is.
To be conscious in thoughts without a self(I), there is no need for a take on it. The answer was given in #34 as it was supposed to be given.
If you want to change those words, do it.
Muslims claim that the Quran is the word of Allah. Presumably Allah could have given us examples of his mercifulness in the book, but it appears he chose not to.
But Muslims often tell me "I'm reading it wrong". So the question is: Am I reading it wrong? As I read the book I see many CLAIMS of mercifulness, but I do NOT see any EXAMPLES. But perhaps I missed something?
But based on our conversation, it would appear that you would agree that DEMONSTRATIONS of mercifulness are NOT provided in the book. Is that correct?