Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Lugar?
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~ The Clinton Victory Thread ~
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It was Murdoch who won in the primary to oust Lugar, only to be defeated by Donnoley because of the rape remark. I found it to be delicious irony that the Tea Party wanted their candidate in over Lugar, threw a fit over Lugar not living here, got their guy on the ballot, and then watched their guy shoot himself in the foot with a gun strong enough to blow it off.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
The ONLY positive I can think of regarding Trump is that he could cause the Republican party to get its stuff together for the next election. They need to support common sense candidates that don't have glitz or loud mouths, but do have solid principles.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But this could create quite a dilemma for them because Trump did legitimately beat out the rest of the field, so how could they stop that without eliminating the primary/caucus system, which would be political suicide.
Murdoch was even worse than that.
I had a good friend at the time. She was a total SJW in the best possible sense.
She was beside herself over Murdoch.
Apparently he was in favor of total ban on abortion for any reason and wanted to bring back public flogging to reduce the prison population.
That's why even a nearly unknown Democratic nominee beat him in this Red state.
Tom
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Akivah
Well-Known Member
If they don't solve it, given Trump's "popularity" with the Republican members, the party may well split.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, but the reality is that the Republicans largely brought this on themselves thus "fiddling while Rome burned". At a time when people were asking for help, the Pubs number one priority was trying to stop anything Obama was for, thus stalemating the entire system. And then between Fox and Limbaugh, any Republican to the left of fascism was left to be "primaried", usually by Tea Party fanatics.
So, I agree with you, but let me add that the party is now a serious basket case, and I have no clue if it can survive this nor how. Which faction will win out, and how will the other factions react? "Interesting times".
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I certainly hope we think we have this in the bag and let Trump slip in. It's time for a full court press and get rid of as many Republicans as we can. @Jayhawker Soule has it right in his signature.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Well, I can say I am much more confident Hillary will win now than I was when this thread started. Liberals tend to show up for presidential elections, which doesn't bode well for Trump, and women are known for being more likely to vote Democrat and more likely to vote than men, which is ugly for Trump. Many first-time Hispanic and Latino voters are registering, and it isn't to vote for Trump. Support from black people is practically and nearly virtually non-existent, and they tend to largely vote Democrat anyways.
However, I do not think Hillary will get her "honeymoon phase" if the Republicans keep control of the House, which I do think is likely, albeit they will probably only retain it by a slim margin. Especially with them already saying they will block her Supreme Court nominations (and if people think Hillary is bad now, just wait till our Machiavellian Princess does what she must to made it happen).
However, I do not think Hillary will get her "honeymoon phase" if the Republicans keep control of the House, which I do think is likely, albeit they will probably only retain it by a slim margin. Especially with them already saying they will block her Supreme Court nominations (and if people think Hillary is bad now, just wait till our Machiavellian Princess does what she must to made it happen).
This is why I have been supporting Hillary, even though I like Sanders' platform better. I think she can get more of it done than Sanders ever could have.
Because she has more bad*ss in her pinky finger than he and Obama have put together.
Tom
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That, for me, was a difficult reality supporting Sanders. I knew he wouldn't be able to get much done. He's not a Democrat, he doesn't stand for the corporate-friendly nature of the Democrats, and he'd likely face obstructionism from Democrats for being too much too fast and Republicans for being Socialist, which might as well just be "Satanism" to them. Though I do think he'd face less obstructionism and be able to do more than Trump (I suspect if Trump wins, his worse opposition will be from Republicans desperately trying to distance themselves even further from him).
With Hillary, I just don't see that being a problem. If he was real, Hillary would make Frank Underwood her *****. Hillary may find the Republican games cute, breathe fire, and suddenly everyone falls in line because they haven't yet seen her angry and they don't want to see her angry.
It appears that Clinton is doing so well in the polls after the debate that PACs that were supporting her are now focusing down ticket.
This helps with a problem some of the other Democrats are having. As the big donors and GOP gave up on Trump, that freed up a ton of cash to spend down ticket.
But now that is changing as Dem support is also freed up.
Tom
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/1...referer=http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1584407
This helps with a problem some of the other Democrats are having. As the big donors and GOP gave up on Trump, that freed up a ton of cash to spend down ticket.
But now that is changing as Dem support is also freed up.
Tom
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/1...referer=http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1584407
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Apparently Microsoft's Bing is giving Hillary an 87% chance of victory, while they guy who founded the Bing prediction thingy is giving her a 91% chance of victory on his own site.
Nate Silver's 538 is giving Clinton an 86.9% chance and Trump a 13.1% chance this morning in its "polls only" forecast.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Really, I just don't think Trump wants it. Why else is he going to tell people the election is rigged, which may potentially discourage many of his supporters who've always believed their vote doesn't count anyways. Twitter arguments at 4 in the morning? There's no way he can be successful in business if that's how he really runs things. Whining until he gets what he wants? He might as well walk around with a big neon sign saying "Manipulate Me!" As a leader, the qualities he has projected are so weak and pathetic that if he actually is anything in the business world, it's because he has sycophants doing the work for him and milking the benefits, and using him as a nothing more than a toy so they can themselves make more money.
