~ The Clinton Victory Thread ~

[fantome profane]

they
don't have our Constitution, which codifies our rights.

You have your Constitution, which codifies your rights, and we have our Constitution which codifies our rights. What is your point?

There rights that are codified in the various modern nations are remarkably similar.

 

[Revoltingest]

Is it?

Yes indeedie!

To me, resolving such problems with mental health care smacks of, "You don't agree with government policy? You must be insane. What you need is 20 years of 'treatment' in our special unit for people like you. "
Tom

I'm thinking of treatment for illness, not correction of wrongful political thought (which would put me at risk).

 

[Revoltingest]

You have your Constitution, which codifies your rights, and we have our Constitution which codifies our rights. What is your point?

I was answering a question posed in post #137.

 

[columbus]

I wonder if anyone outside the libtard/social justice warrior crowd actually WANTS Billery for pres.

Do you consider me a libtard/social justice warrior?
Did you read post #130?

Do you have me on <ignore>?
Tom

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

No, I don't ignore anyone. That **** is for pussies.

Tbh I have no idea who you are, if I've read your posts before nothing sticks out. Answer, if you honestly support shrillary, then probably.

 

[columbus]

No, I don't ignore anyone. That **** is for pussies.

Tbh I have no idea who you are, if I've read your posts before nothing sticks out. Answer, if you honestly support shrillary, then probably.

I agree with your opinion about ignore function. But there are many posters who I don't even trouble myself to skim.
I did write #130 and it's on the same page as the post 140, which is what I responded to.

I am supporting Billary because I consider her a hardened political byatch.

I believe that she will steer the country in the general direction of the sort of first world economic system I think best. Her GOP opposition is heading us in the direction of the third world. I prefer that we become more like Canada and less like Mexico.

Perhaps you think that is libtard/ social justice warrior.
Tom

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

I agree with your opinion about ignore function. But there are many posters who I don't even trouble myself to skim.
I did write #130 and it's on the same page as the post 140, which is what I responded to.

I am supporting Billary because I consider her a hardened political byatch.

I believe that she will steer the country in the general direction of the sort of first world economic system I think best. Her GOP opposition is heading us in the direction of the third world. I prefer that we become more like Canada and less like Mexico.

Perhaps you think that is libtard/ social justice warrior.
Tom

As someone that lives in Canada, I would advise you to be careful what you ask for...

 

[columbus]

As someone that lives in Canada, I would advise you to be careful what you ask for...

Oh. You're Canadian.
That explains a great deal.
Tom

 

[Underhill]

I wonder if anyone outside the libtard/social justice warrior crowd actually WANTS Billery for pres.

It seems like the vast majority of her 'supporters' are just choosing what they see as the lesser of two evils?

I can't help but think if the 'pubs had a real candidate he could probably just spend the next 6 months on some tropical beach somewhere and still get a landslide.

I said that 6 months ago (without all the pointless name calling). The republicans made their bed...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The usefulness of gun rights is a separate & complex issue,
& beyond the scope of this thread.

We've had plenty of economic discussions that were outside of thread topics before.

But other countries differ in one very important way, ie, they
don't have our Constitution, which codifies our rights.

Yup. And they aren't passing RFRA bills, locking people up for possessing pot, and they consider things such as education and health care a right. They do tend to hold people accountable for what they say, and America generally has less censorship (though not always), and that right very often isn't preserved by shooting, but by being shot; I'm using shooting/being shot in a very generalized way and metaphorically - .people also get beaten, arrested, harassed, and killed in ways not related to guns. The bullets of free speech are not powered by gun powder but a pencil sharpener.

 

[Revoltingest]

We've had plenty of economic discussions that were outside of thread topics before.

Yup. And they aren't passing RFRA bills, locking people up for possessing pot, and they consider things such as education and health care a right. They do tend to hold people accountable for what they say, and America generally has less censorship (though not always), and that right very often isn't preserved by shooting, but by being shot; I'm using shooting/being shot in a very generalized way and metaphorically - .people also get beaten, arrested, harassed, and killed in ways not related to guns. The bullets of free speech are not powered by gun powder but a pencil sharpener.

Even though the country has problems,
I still value Constitutional rights.
Ain't no country perfect.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Even though the country has problems,
I still value Constitutional rights.
Ain't no country perfect.

But, back to the point, guns don't preserve freedoms. If the state wants to take them, they are going to take them. Civilians, especially in the West and many Eastern countries, simply would not stand any feasible chance against their state's military. It would be a long, ugly, and nasty war, and eventually anyone fighting would have to steal and hijack supplies anyways.

 

[Revoltingest]

But, back to the point, guns don't preserve freedoms. If the state wants to take them, they are going to take them. Civilians, especially in the West and many Eastern countries, simply would not stand any feasible chance against their state's military. It would be a long, ugly, and nasty war, and eventually anyone fighting would have to steal and hijack supplies anyways.

Who says the military would fight civilians with unity?
There would no doubt be dissent in the ranks.
Guns are useful.

 

[columbus]

Guns are useful.

Not so much any more.
If duh gubbimint decides to take over it will be through control of Facebook and debit/credit cards.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Who says the military would fight civilians with unity?
There would no doubt be dissent in the ranks.
Guns are useful.

Useful, but they don't preserve freedoms. And, from what we are seeing in America, freedoms have been lost and taken away at various points but no one has really ever bothered to fight to retain them. People have fought and struggled to gain them, but they fought without bullets.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not so much any more.
If duh gubbimint decides to take over it will be through control of Facebook and debit/credit cards.
Tom

Such certainty.
I see more possibilities.

 

[Revoltingest]

Useful, but they don't preserve freedoms. And, from what we are seeing in America, freedoms have been lost and taken away at various points but no one has really ever bothered to fight to retain them. People have fought and struggled to gain them, but they fought without bullets.

We're not going to see eye to eye on this.

 

[sun rise]

We're not going to see eye to eye on this.

WHAT? Not see eye to eye in a political discussion? What's the world coming to anyway. I thought everyone was a full-bore supporter of Hillary Clinton like I am. I'm so disappointed to find dissension on the topic here of all places.

 

[sun rise]

And by the way, this totally spot on speech by Hillary Clinton exemplifies why I'm a full bore supporter of hers. We must defeat the evil Trump champions for the future of America and the World. Breitbart, Alex Jones and all the bigots of the alt-right are destined for the septic tank of history and this November is one more nail in their coffin.

Hillary Clinton Microwaves Donald Trump’s Axis of Tinfoil

The transcript and an excerpt of the speech are here: http://www.vox.com/2016/8/25/12647810/hillary-clinton-speech-alt-right

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We must defeat the evil Trump champions for the future of America and the World.

To me, that we have Hillary Clinton as our option to do that does not speak well of the state we are in. She is very corporate friendly, she is too pro-war, and beneath the pile of fabricated scandals there are some real ones, and even though we live a democracy it appears we may get 16 years of the Clintons in the highest position of power.