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The consequences of Christian Dominion Theology

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Christian Dominion Theology is not new, in fact i is an underlying foundation for Christianity since the rise of Roman Christianity, and underlying the the political, economic and theological basis for Manifest Destiny. Based on recent elections and polls about 40 to 50 percent of Americans support some sort of Christian Dominion Theology

From: Dominionism Rising: A Theocratic Movement Hiding in Plain Sight | Political Research Associates

In June 2016, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) held a private meeting with conservative movement leaders to plot his political future. Attendees afterwards cast him in the role of Ronald Reagan, who’d lost the 1976 Republican presidential nomination to Gerald Ford but led a conservative comeback in 1980 that made Jimmy Carter a one-term president. The thinking was that Cruz did well enough in the 2016 Republican presidential primaries before losing to celebrity billionaire Donald Trump that he could plan to run again in 2020 or 2024. “He was with kindred spirits,” said Brent Bozell, the conservative activist who hosted the meeting, “and I would say most people in that room see him as the leader of the conservative movement.”1

The rise of Ted Cruz is a singular event in American political history. The son of a Cuban refugee and evangelical pastor, Cruz was raised in the kind of evangelicalism-with-a-theocratic-bent that has come to epitomize a significant and growing trend in American public life. That is, dominionism: a dynamic ideology that arose from the swirls and eddies of American evangelicalism to animate the Christian Right, and become a defining feature of modern politics and culture.

Dominionism is the theocratic idea that regardless of theological camp, means, or timetable, God has called conservative Christians to exercise dominion over society by taking control of political and cultural institutions. The term describes a broad tendency across a wide swath of American Christianity. People who embrace this idea are referred to as dominionists. Although Chip Berlet, then of Political Research Associates, and I defined and popularized the term for many in the 1990s2, in fact it had (along with the term dominion theology) been in use by both evangelical proponents and critics for many years.3

Dominionism is the theocratic idea that regardless of theological view, means, or timetable, Christians are called by God to exercise dominion over every aspect of society by taking control of political and cultural institutions.


Analyst Chip Berlet and I have suggested that there is a dominionist spectrum running from soft to hard as a way of making some broad distinctions among dominionists without getting mired in theological minutiae.106 But we also agree that:

  1. Dominionists celebrate Christian nationalism, in that they believe that the United States once was, and should once again be, a Christian nation. In this way, they deny the Enlightenment roots of American democracy.
  2. Dominionists promote religious supremacy, insofar as they generally do not respect the equality of other religions, or even other versions of Christianity.
  3. Dominionists endorse theocratic visions, insofar as they believe that the Ten Commandments, or “biblical law,” should be the foundation of American law, and that the U.S. Constitution should be seen as a vehicle for implementing biblical principles.107
Of course, Christian nationalism takes a distinct form in the United States, but dominionism in all of its variants has a vision for all nations.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Consequences?

I highlighted the portions that lead to negative consequences for the United States and the world,

Those that promote Christian Domination Theology most often reject the science of evolution and the other sciences they believe are in conflict with their Biblical view, and they aggressively attack the public education system of the USA.

Actually the problem is more wide spread with Islamic Dominion Theology.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I highlighted the portions that lead to negative consequences for the United States and the world,

Those that promote Christian Domination Theology most often reject the science of evolution and the other sciences they believe are in conflict with their Biblical view, and they aggressively attack the public education system of the USA.

Actually the problem is more wide spread with Islamic Dominion Theology.
It is wrong to paint a broad brush as even the Menonites, who aren't a Dominon group, would attack the education system.

And attack isn 't the correct word in as much a Dominion Christians are involved in the education system. What MOST Christians realize is that the educational system has increasingly become a promoter of secularism. AND even secular people and non-Dominion Christians will agree with the premise that the educational system is going from bad to worse.

So, really, this is sounding more like your personal opinion than having any substance.

I would also say that the educational system has been on a downward spiral. Private schools are proliferating and home-schoolers are doing a better job and are now being sought after by Universities.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What MOST Christians realize is that the educational system has increasingly become a promoter of secularism.
Because public schools are secular by their nature because of the 1st Amendment prohibition of having a state religion. And contrary to the belief of some, teachers cannot tear-down religion without getting themselves into a ton of trouble.

AND even secular people and non-Dominion Christians will agree with the premise that the educational system is going from bad to worse.
Actually it's getting better, but it is not keeping pace with many other countries in certain areas that are especially tied to math, science, and technology. But what these kids are taught nowadays even in these areas, is a helluva lot better than what I was taught when we used to meet in caves.

Private schools are proliferating and home-schoolers are doing a better job and are now being sought after by Universities.
Not here in Michigan as charter schools are not performing any better, according to recent state test scores, plus there is no required state testing for home-schoolers.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Christian Dominion Theology is not new, in fact i is an underlying foundation for Christianity since the rise of Roman Christianity, and underlying the the political, economic and theological basis for Manifest Destiny. Based on recent elections and polls about 40 to 50 percent of Americans support some sort of Christian Dominion Theology

From: Dominionism Rising: A Theocratic Movement Hiding in Plain Sight | Political Research Associates

In June 2016, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) held a private meeting with conservative movement leaders to plot his political future. Attendees afterwards cast him in the role of Ronald Reagan, who’d lost the 1976 Republican presidential nomination to Gerald Ford but led a conservative comeback in 1980 that made Jimmy Carter a one-term president. The thinking was that Cruz did well enough in the 2016 Republican presidential primaries before losing to celebrity billionaire Donald Trump that he could plan to run again in 2020 or 2024. “He was with kindred spirits,” said Brent Bozell, the conservative activist who hosted the meeting, “and I would say most people in that room see him as the leader of the conservative movement.”1

The rise of Ted Cruz is a singular event in American political history. The son of a Cuban refugee and evangelical pastor, Cruz was raised in the kind of evangelicalism-with-a-theocratic-bent that has come to epitomize a significant and growing trend in American public life. That is, dominionism: a dynamic ideology that arose from the swirls and eddies of American evangelicalism to animate the Christian Right, and become a defining feature of modern politics and culture.

Dominionism is the theocratic idea that regardless of theological camp, means, or timetable, God has called conservative Christians to exercise dominion over society by taking control of political and cultural institutions. The term describes a broad tendency across a wide swath of American Christianity. People who embrace this idea are referred to as dominionists. Although Chip Berlet, then of Political Research Associates, and I defined and popularized the term for many in the 1990s2, in fact it had (along with the term dominion theology) been in use by both evangelical proponents and critics for many years.3


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Dominionism is the theocratic idea that regardless of theological view, means, or timetable, Christians are called by God to exercise dominion over every aspect of society by taking control of political and cultural institutions.


Analyst Chip Berlet and I have suggested that there is a dominionist spectrum running from soft to hard as a way of making some broad distinctions among dominionists without getting mired in theological minutiae.106 But we also agree that:

  1. Dominionists celebrate Christian nationalism, in that they believe that the United States once was, and should once again be, a Christian nation. In this way, they deny the Enlightenment roots of American democracy.
  2. Dominionists promote religious supremacy, insofar as they generally do not respect the equality of other religions, or even other versions of Christianity.
  3. Dominionists endorse theocratic visions, insofar as they believe that the Ten Commandments, or “biblical law,” should be the foundation of American law, and that the U.S. Constitution should be seen as a vehicle for implementing biblical principles.107
Of course, Christian nationalism takes a distinct form in the United States, but dominionism in all of its variants has a vision for all nations.

Excellent observation. It was the catholic ideology that created this dominion, as "the" church of the Roman Empire. They continued to do so (like killing the Cathers) to maintain this false celestial authority.

When William Tyndale finally translated the Gospel from Latin to English,

Ephesians 6:12 (1599 Geneva Bible)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors, the princes of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness, which are in the high places.

Once the church got done reforming the translation for King James (1612), the words "worldly governors" was removed.

Christ never taught for any man or men to have celestial authority over another. The very thought is antichrist.

When Pilate asks Jesus "what is truth?", the Bible has Christ silent. What an opportunity for Christ to answer. Yet if the answer were revealed, the church fathers wouldn't stand. So......did they remove the answer?

2 And Pilate went in again into the judgement hall and called Jesus apart and said unto him: Art thou the King of the Jews? Jesus answered and said to Pilate: Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? Pilate answered Jesus: Am I also a Jew? thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world; for if my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have striven that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Pilate said unto him: Art thou a king, then? Jesus answered him: Thou sayest that I am a king; for this cause was I born and am come, that every one that is of the truth should hear my voice. Pilate saith unto him: What is truth? Jesus saith unto him: Truth is of heaven. Pilate saith: Is there not truth upon earth? Jesus saith unto Pilate: Thou seest how that they which speak the truth are judged of them that have authority upon earth.- Gospel of Nicodemus

The Pope has great authority on Earth. But no more spiritual authority than any common man, IMO.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The Pope has great authority on Earth
Actually he doesn't and, as a matter of fact, he doesn't even have "great authority" over most Catholics nowadays.

BTW, the gospels say that "Jesus taught with authority...", and we know that the apostles taught with authority, so...
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Actually he doesn't and, as a matter of fact, he doesn't even have "great authority" over most Catholics nowadays.

BTW, the gospels say that "Jesus taught with authority...", and we know that the apostles taught with authority, so...
The Spirit taught through them. The Holy Spirit was not given until Jesus arose, who was the only one who had it.

Mark:
27 And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders,

28 And say unto him, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority to do these things?

29 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I will also ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things.

30 The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.

31 And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him?

32 But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed.

33 And they answered and said unto Jesus, We cannot tell. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Neither do I tell you by what authority I do these things.

It is the Holy Spirit, that was in him, yet not given to man until he arose.

The Spirit of Truth is the only authority. You don't exercise it over others, just yourself.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Christian Dominion Theology is not new, in fact i is an underlying foundation for Christianity since the rise of Roman Christianity, and underlying the the political, economic and theological basis for Manifest Destiny. Based on recent elections and polls about 40 to 50 percent of Americans support some sort of Christian Dominion Theology

From: Dominionism Rising: A Theocratic Movement Hiding in Plain Sight | Political Research Associates

In June 2016, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) held a private meeting with conservative movement leaders to plot his political future. Attendees afterwards cast him in the role of Ronald Reagan, who’d lost the 1976 Republican presidential nomination to Gerald Ford but led a conservative comeback in 1980 that made Jimmy Carter a one-term president. The thinking was that Cruz did well enough in the 2016 Republican presidential primaries before losing to celebrity billionaire Donald Trump that he could plan to run again in 2020 or 2024. “He was with kindred spirits,” said Brent Bozell, the conservative activist who hosted the meeting, “and I would say most people in that room see him as the leader of the conservative movement.”1

The rise of Ted Cruz is a singular event in American political history. The son of a Cuban refugee and evangelical pastor, Cruz was raised in the kind of evangelicalism-with-a-theocratic-bent that has come to epitomize a significant and growing trend in American public life. That is, dominionism: a dynamic ideology that arose from the swirls and eddies of American evangelicalism to animate the Christian Right, and become a defining feature of modern politics and culture.

Dominionism is the theocratic idea that regardless of theological camp, means, or timetable, God has called conservative Christians to exercise dominion over society by taking control of political and cultural institutions. The term describes a broad tendency across a wide swath of American Christianity. People who embrace this idea are referred to as dominionists. Although Chip Berlet, then of Political Research Associates, and I defined and popularized the term for many in the 1990s2, in fact it had (along with the term dominion theology) been in use by both evangelical proponents and critics for many years.3


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Dominionism is the theocratic idea that regardless of theological view, means, or timetable, Christians are called by God to exercise dominion over every aspect of society by taking control of political and cultural institutions.


Analyst Chip Berlet and I have suggested that there is a dominionist spectrum running from soft to hard as a way of making some broad distinctions among dominionists without getting mired in theological minutiae.106 But we also agree that:

  1. Dominionists celebrate Christian nationalism, in that they believe that the United States once was, and should once again be, a Christian nation. In this way, they deny the Enlightenment roots of American democracy.
  2. Dominionists promote religious supremacy, insofar as they generally do not respect the equality of other religions, or even other versions of Christianity.
  3. Dominionists endorse theocratic visions, insofar as they believe that the Ten Commandments, or “biblical law,” should be the foundation of American law, and that the U.S. Constitution should be seen as a vehicle for implementing biblical principles.107
Of course, Christian nationalism takes a distinct form in the United States, but dominionism in all of its variants has a vision for all nations.
Interesting topic. If we take a topic say fossil fuels, and break it down, fossil fuels is a 100% scientific endeavour. Locating, extraction, synthesis, distribution all science. So on the one hand the dommionists are 100% supporters of science in regards from ground to consumer, but then we look at the effect of consumption which is the by product of 100% science, and they instantly recoil and deny that fact, and turn to what exactly to justify their denial? God. They adore the whole process on one side of the coin, and then deny that the consequences of science is a problem at all its from God!!!

Dommionists are hard core science consumers addicted to science products in denial of any issues with that. It has zero to do with the bible at all. It's a inculturated problem. Religion as it manifests today, has no issue with science, it loves science on its own defined terms addictively. Like a heroin addict.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Actually he doesn't and, as a matter of fact, he doesn't even have "great authority" over most Catholics nowadays.

BTW, the gospels say that "Jesus taught with authority...", and we know that the apostles taught with authority, so...

The lack of authority today by the Roman Church is because they lost it, and not because the Roman Church does not believe in ultimate Christian Dominion Theology. Christian Dominion Theology is the ultimate goal of the Roman Church, and the historical and traditional belief by the Roman Church.

After loosing their power as the separation of church and state grew the Roman Church turned to Inegralism.

From: Dominion theology - Wikipedia
Integralism
Catholic Integralism has been characterized as a form of dominionist theology.[20] Antonio Spadaro and Marcelo Figueroa have stated that Catholic Integralists have entered into a non-traditional ecumenical alliance with Protestant reconstructionists who share "the same desire for religious influence in the political sphere".[ Likewise, in the National Catholic Reporter, Joshua J. McElwee stated that Catholic Integralists, along with their Protestant counterparts, wish to achieve the goal of establishing a "theocratic type of state".
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
What MOST Christians realize is that the educational system has increasingly become a promoter of secularism.
"Promoting" is the wrong word. The public educational system is simply abiding by the laws of the land---secular laws. And in particular those laws that prohibit the promotion of religion in a public school. That this has resulted in decisions that have curtailed or eliminated religious practices is not promoting secularism but simply abiding by its laws: doing away with religious events that sought to get around the law.

AND even secular people and non-Dominion Christians will agree with the premise that the educational system is going from bad to worse.
I tend to agree, but rational religious people and those lacking in religious belief don't see the loss of religion-tainted activities in public schools to be part of it. Only those, Christians in particular, who appear to have some kind of psychological need to have their religion plastered in as many public venues as possible, are decrying the loss of illegal religious privileges as part of the decline in public education. "If my Billy can't say the Lord's Prayer in class before the cross of Jesus each morning how will he ever learn his multiplication tables? Huh?

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"Tell me that!"

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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The Spirit of Truth is the only authority. You don't exercise it over others, just yourself.
Then you're saying the apostles didn't have it as head of the Church and that Jesus must have lied when he said he'd guide this Church until the end of time.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The lack of authority today by the Roman Church is because they lost it, and not because the Roman Church does not believe in ultimate Christian Dominion Theology. Christian Dominion Theology is the ultimate goal of the Roman Church, and the historical and traditional belief by the Roman Church.

After loosing their power as the separation of church and state grew the Roman Church turned to Inegralism.

From: Dominion theology - Wikipedia
Integralism
Catholic Integralism has been characterized as a form of dominionist theology.[20] Antonio Spadaro and Marcelo Figueroa have stated that Catholic Integralists have entered into a non-traditional ecumenical alliance with Protestant reconstructionists who share "the same desire for religious influence in the political sphere".[ Likewise, in the National Catholic Reporter, Joshua J. McElwee stated that Catholic Integralists, along with their Protestant counterparts, wish to achieve the goal of establishing a "theocratic type of state".
Yes, there's no doubt that this happened, as even Aquinas felt that it wasn't enough that just the Church needed to be guided by God but that societies also should be as such. I have said myself on numerous occasions that I believe the single biggest fault of the Church was to cozy up way too close to civil leadership.

To me, it wasn't evil thinking but bad thinking as their intent was to design societies in accordance with Jesus' message of faith, compassion, and justice, which is also why the Church did not embrace unbridled capitalism, especially because of the fear that the disenfranchised of so many would suffer because of this.

The problem with cozying up to the civil authorities allowed the latter to have too much influence over the Church whereas lotsa $ and power was also also at stake, thus "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
"Promoting" is the wrong word. The public educational system is simply abiding by the laws of the land---secular laws. And in particular those laws that prohibit the promotion of religion in a public school. That this has resulted in decisions that have curtailed or eliminated religious practices is not promoting secularism but simply abiding by its laws: doing away with religious events that sought to get around the law.


I tend to agree, but rational religious people and those lacking in religious belief don't see the loss of religion-tainted activities in public schools to be part of it. Only those, Christians in particular, who appear to have some kind of psychological need to have their religion plastered in as many public venues as possible, are decrying the loss of illegal religious privileges as part of the decline in public education. "If my Billy can't say the Lord's Prayer in class before the cross of Jesus each morning how will he ever learn his multiplication tables? Huh?


"Tell me that!"

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I think it is more like, "If my child can't even read at a normal speed and he is already in 5th grade and my 12th grader needs a calculator to do simple multiplication, I'm taking them to a private school.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I think it is more like, "If my child can't even read at a normal speed and he is already in 5th grade and my 12th grader needs a calculator to do simple multiplication, I'm taking them to a private school.
Which all too often is the fault of parental supervision and a failure to instill good study skills. IMO, too many parents rely on schools to do all the work.

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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Because public schools are secular by their nature because of the 1st Amendment prohibition of having a state religion. And contrary to the belief of some, teachers cannot tear-down religion without getting themselves into a ton of trouble.
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Yes... that is today. But a 1st Ammendment? That, actually, is a modern day interpretation that violated precedent:

Supreme Court Cases.

Why may not the Bible, and especially the New Testament be read and taught as a divine revelation in the school? Where can the purest principles of morality be learned so clearly or so perfectly as from the New Testament? Vidal v Girard's Executors, 2 How. 127 (1844) -

The happiness of a people and the good order and preservation of civil government essentially depend upon piety, religion and morality. Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, The United States Supreme Court, 143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226 (1892)

Religion, morality, and knowledge are necessary to good government, the preservation of liberty, and the happiness of mankind. Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, The United States Supreme Court, 143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226 (1892)

Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It's impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian... This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation... we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth... These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, The United States Supreme Court, 143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226 (1892)

"It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs whether any free government can be permanent where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape." Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story

I remember reading about one where someone sued the public school to not teach the Bible. The Supreme Court said (paraphrased) - "If you don't want the Bible taught, start a private school". (wish I could find it again.)

Actually it's getting better, but it is not keeping pace with many other countries in certain areas that are especially tied to math, science, and technology. But what these kids are taught nowadays even in these areas, is a helluva lot better than what I was taught when we used to meet in caves.
LOL... but are you sure it isn't getting better because of all the proliferating private school and home schools that have to take the SAT and are factored in? :p

We have half a dozen teachers in our church and it doesn't look good.

Not here in Michigan as charter schools are not performing any better, according to recent state test scores, plus there is no required state testing for home-schoolers.
Our home schools take tests and average far better according to the number:

Homeschooling Infographic SAT Scores Homeschool vs Public School Stats
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Which all too often is the fault of parental supervision and a failure to instill good study skills. IMO, too many parents rely on schools to do all the work.

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That is SOOOOO true. Public Schools have become moms and dads dealing with all sort of behaviors robbing them of valuable teaching time. Thus they can't teach what they need to teach.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I think it is more like, "If my child can't even read at a normal speed and he is already in 5th grade and my 12th grader needs a calculator to do simple multiplication, I'm taking them to a private school.

This an atrocious denigrating view of our public education from an unfortunate fundamentalist Christian perspective. I will respond more with a more factual discussion concerning the problems with education in the USA.

If it is your child you are neglecting your basic responsibility as a parent, and it is not resolved by hiding him/her in a religious school.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
This an atrocious denigrating view of our public education from an unfortunate fundamentalist Christian perspective. I will respond more with a more factual discussion concerning the problems with education in the USA.

If it is your child you are neglecting your basic responsibility as a parent, and it is not resolved by hiding him/her in a religious school.
Yes... daddy! Baloney! As the stats prove.

There is a big difference between hiding and providing the best education.

My children went to a Christian education up to 8th grade and we reaped the benefits. 2 graduated with a High School and a AA diploma at the same time and the third missed it by one course.

What did they learn? Study habits, homework responsibilities and deeper insights into material.

In High School the Counselor said "Your son shouldn't go to College at the same time. He just can't manage the courses. Besides, senior year should be a year of fun!". I had to go all the way to the Principal for her to sign off on it. My son was not only overjoyed to eliminate 2 years of college while going to high-school, but because of his academia, received scholarships.

So.... perhaps it was you who neglected your basic responsibility as a parent? :rolleyes:
 
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