The parent is one primarily responsible for study habits, homework responsibilities and deeper insights into the material regardless of school one attends.
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The consequences of Christian Dominion Theology
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The parent is one primarily responsible for study habits, homework responsibilities and deeper insights into the material regardless of school one attends.
That is not a problem of the public schools.
When they started going to pubic schools... homework stopped
It is a problm IN the public schools therefore of.
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stvdv
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@shunyadragon: I like the topic. Very good points.
Why state and religion needed to be separated in the first place?
IMHO this is because Christians have a tendency to evangelize, meaning disrespecting, by imposing their believe system upon others!
Christians who are now criticizing state schooling, they better first correct their own mistake which caused the need for state schooling in the first place !!!
Kind of "chicken egg problem": Christians (chicken) caused secularism, results (eggs) they don't like. Try tuck-tuck-tuck differently is my advice
[I also love Jesus; evangelizing not; but the last one was already clear of course]
Why state and religion needed to be separated in the first place?
IMHO this is because Christians have a tendency to evangelize, meaning disrespecting, by imposing their believe system upon others!
Christians who are now criticizing state schooling, they better first correct their own mistake which caused the need for state schooling in the first place !!!
Kind of "chicken egg problem": Christians (chicken) caused secularism, results (eggs) they don't like. Try tuck-tuck-tuck differently is my advice
[I also love Jesus; evangelizing not; but the last one was already clear of course]
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The history of funding in public schools reveals some interesting issues. The more conservative Republican and strongly conservative religious (belief in Christian Dominion Theology) have consistently the lowest funding of public schools per student than more Democratic and liberal religious states.
This is a trend in recent history that began with Conservative churches trying to get Biblical Creationism and Intelligent Design as science taught in public schools, and in some cases replace the teaching of the science of evolution, This failed over time due to court decisions against these efforts. The dismal end of this dishonest endeavor came at Dover trial. There are prevalent accusations that the science of evolution and the science taught in schools is atheistic, The evidence for retaliation with reduced funding in these states is overwhelmingly demonstrated. The fundamentalist Christian hostility against a public school system has a long history in the 20th Century.
Christians are claiming hostility toward Christians in the public schools system, but the evidence is just not there for any such hostility. @KenS in a previous thread tried to give examples of this hostility, and they all turned out to be egregiously false.
This is a trend in recent history that began with Conservative churches trying to get Biblical Creationism and Intelligent Design as science taught in public schools, and in some cases replace the teaching of the science of evolution, This failed over time due to court decisions against these efforts. The dismal end of this dishonest endeavor came at Dover trial. There are prevalent accusations that the science of evolution and the science taught in schools is atheistic, The evidence for retaliation with reduced funding in these states is overwhelmingly demonstrated. The fundamentalist Christian hostility against a public school system has a long history in the 20th Century.
Christians are claiming hostility toward Christians in the public schools system, but the evidence is just not there for any such hostility. @KenS in a previous thread tried to give examples of this hostility, and they all turned out to be egregiously false.
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Undocumented egergious foolishness based on a fundamentalist religious agenda. Anecdotal foolishness does not amount to anything more than frog hair.
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Incomplete incoherent statements do not cut it!!!!
Are you for real? This is filled with fake news.
I showed a litany of examples.
Apparently throwing more money at the problem hasn't fixed anything. Yes Liberal/Democratic states throw more money, have higher taxes and don't solve the problem... is that a plus?
Christians are the biggest giving block
personal experiemce...
More School Help, Less Homework | Psych Central
Less Homework Stress - SchoolFamily
http://neatoday.org/2014/05/13/should-schools-be-done-with-homework/
The question would be, can you accept reality?
above your pay grade?
I documented everyone of your litany of examples as egregiously false. Bring up again and I will do it again.
Riggghht!
I suppose if you give falsities you can convince all people some of the times but not all people all the times.
What is false about this?
High School Bans Students From Praying in Free Time
And, incidentally, that was a great strawman to bring up a different subject. But, at least this will show people that you are a great carrier of fake news.
To begin with you are citing and article that clearly admits it is anecdotal based ONLY on the authors experience,
Deals with the problems of parent/child relationships in methods to deal homework at home. This references supports my approach of the problem.
One decent source of three. This would be a problem with schools regardless of whether they are public or private. You failed to make a distinction.
Your religious fundamentalist agenda precludes any acceptance of reality on your part.
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What you cited is only an example of the question of religious activities in public schools that was resolved in the courts.
Nothing here represents hostility toward Christians in public schools.
Very Trumpish on your part
I guess that means:
1) It wasn't false
2) In your biased viewpoint, just because it is a hostile environment against a religious activity in a public school doesn't constitute hostility in the public school
So... now that you couldn't refute that one (since you said your refuted all of them) let's try number 2.
Student Sues Wisconsin School After Getting a Zero for Religious Drawing
stvdv
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@KenS: OMG. I didn't know it was so bad in the USA. Giving someone a zero because of christian drawing. Yesterday I red federal judge got (not earned) 45million a year and they found that normal. Trump wants to put guns in kindergarten, and so much more foolishness. And people voting for Trump is what I can't understand at all. I know a thing or 2 about narcissists (having a father like that). At least Trump has all characteristics. Hitler had them too. We know the end of that story. My first thought when seeing him first time was very bad. Hope it's not going to happen.
Common sense seems to be totally lost in USA. And Holland is following rapidly I also see.
KenS, just a question. Don't you agree that "imposing one's religion on others" has by now, after 2000+ years, proven to be the wrong way. Like explained above in chicken/egg example? In Holland I didn't meet 1 Christian agreeing to this. I thought it was a dutchy christian thing, and was hoping to find 1 Christian on the forum who could agree to this.
And I agree that "imposing zero on christian painting" is also as wrong.
But if you agree to the second, then it would be hypocritcal not to agree to the first I believe.
Or can you give me 1 good reason (not 'the Bible says so'; because the Bible says "Love is the highest command". And this means any law in the Bible going against Love should be discarded IMHO.)
I believe it's time to start a clean slate. Christians admit "imposing religion" is wrong. And State admit "imposing anti-religion" is wrong.
I can't see another solution. If this hurdle is not solved, then the BASE stays sick, and everything you build on it is doomed for ever.
Common sense seems to be totally lost in USA. And Holland is following rapidly I also see.
KenS, just a question. Don't you agree that "imposing one's religion on others" has by now, after 2000+ years, proven to be the wrong way. Like explained above in chicken/egg example? In Holland I didn't meet 1 Christian agreeing to this. I thought it was a dutchy christian thing, and was hoping to find 1 Christian on the forum who could agree to this.
And I agree that "imposing zero on christian painting" is also as wrong.
But if you agree to the second, then it would be hypocritcal not to agree to the first I believe.
Or can you give me 1 good reason (not 'the Bible says so'; because the Bible says "Love is the highest command". And this means any law in the Bible going against Love should be discarded IMHO.)
I believe it's time to start a clean slate. Christians admit "imposing religion" is wrong. And State admit "imposing anti-religion" is wrong.
I can't see another solution. If this hurdle is not solved, then the BASE stays sick, and everything you build on it is doomed for ever.
DEFINITELY imposing religion is wrong!!
Jesus never imposed. In reality, Christianity is suppose to be a free will decision with liberty not to accept it if one doesn't.
So I agree with you.
stvdv
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@KenS: You make my day. I went to quite a few churches. I like baptist for the singing, but none shared your view. All 4000 christians believed in Evangelizing (and that implied telling the other his religion was wrong and telling he was going to hell; I just was told so last sunday again).
[Some think they are smart and bring it a little less straightforward; "Jesus is the only way" .. to where, I then ask? "to heaven" .. so, the other alternative? "ehum, yes you know, hell". Aha, thanks, meaning you believe that I am the devil if you think I belong in hell with my belief. I am not stupid, I learned how to count 1+1=2 a very long time ago].
Good to hear that American Christians are less fanatic than the Dutch Christians
In Holland American influences follow 10 year later. Hope that one flies over soon
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