The consequences of Christian Dominion Theology

[Faithofchristian]

We, at least most of us I hope, have advanced past Bronze and Iron Age mythology. We now teach the sciences and history for a modern world. King's English and Latin are dead languages. We are moving toward Democracy, separation church and state, and theocracies ruling by Divine Decree.

Democracy of what ?
Another dictatorship Government. Where people are controled, It seems like going backwards to the Bronze and iron of being under the control of a dictatorship Government. Than moving forward.

 

[shunyadragon]

Democracy of what ?
Another dictatorship Government. Where people are controled, It seems like going backwards to the Bronze and iron of being under the control of a dictatorship Government. Than moving forward.

Not enough information here to justify the accusations you are making. What dictatorship are you referring to?

Your original argument was to return the Bible as The Textbook of school, and I responded.

Again . . .

We, at least most of us I hope, have advanced past Bronze and Iron Age mythology. We now teach the sciences and history for a modern world. King's English and Latin are dead languages. We are moving toward Democracy, separation church and state, and theocracies ruling by Divine Decree.

 

[shunyadragon]

Your absolutely right. Just look at all the schools closing to go and protest, which have Liberal democrats teachers, So think if that was conservative teachers promoting kids and schools to close so conservative kids could go and protest.

The protests and strikes are in states where the Republican legislature have keep the funds spent on the public school system down to the lowest in the USA.

There were kids that did not go to protest and got expelled from school. Because they chosen not to go.

False! Please document your accusations.

Your Right big time, But Atheists are.
And to think it's Atheists that says, kids are being indoctrinated, So who's indoctrinating that kids in schools ????

At max there are only about 3 % atheists. They are not organized enough to indoctrinate anybody. What atheist organization are you referring that could cause this?

 

[metis]

You are seeing one verse in Matthew (Rock).

Absolutely false, and if you cannot see the appointments and the duties that the apostles passed on that are quite clearly mentioned in Acts and several of Paul's epistles, then I simply don't know which "bible" you're reading.

Speaking of which, it was these successors several centuries later that selected the canon of the Bible. If they did not have that God-given power, then the Bible you may have in your possession maybe isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

 

[metis]

But having lived in a foreign country and being around everyone one pledging allegiance to a different flag and country, I really don't see what the big to do is about.

The "big to do" is the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, plus the fact that a government school shouldn't be allowing forcing a specific religion down our children's throats, imo.

If there are to be prayers said in public schools, whose prayers are to be used and who will draw these prayers up? the government? who? Why not just allow students to meet before or after school or just pray on their own during their free time?

Forcing religion is not what public schools are for, especially since the U.S. is much more diversified religiously than a couple of hundred years ago. Should agnostics and atheists also be allowed to have their say if prayers are to be reintroduced into the curriculum? If not, why not?

As a former educator, I believe teaching basic morality is very important, but I don't think a specific religion's teachings should be forced on students.

Hope ya had a great weekend.

 

[Phantasman]

Absolutely false, and if you cannot see the appointments and the duties that the apostles passed on that are quite clearly mentioned in Acts and several of Paul's epistles, then I simply don't know which "bible" you're reading.

Speaking of which, it was these successors several centuries later that selected the canon of the Bible. If they did not have that God-given power, then the Bible you may have in your possession maybe isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Any reason why Paul called out Peter for his "false" thinking? Galatians 2

How about Christ calling Peter "Satan" for his understanding? How about Christ saying Peter would deny him? What about Peter still not understanding when he chose to draw his physical sword in aggression?

Peter was called out many more times in the non Canon "Gospels".

Should we go out and hang ourselves when guilt overwhelms us as Judas did?

To become one with Christ, and the disciples, and the Father, we have one commonality. The Spirit (Holy Spirit). We follow it, and only it. We don't follow the disciples, they were men. We don't follow a walking talking Jesus, but a risen Christ. And we don't follow any OT father that had no clue what the Spirit is/was.

The Spirit (of truth) was given by the Father once Jesus died.

John:
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

So which disciple should we follow? Peter? Philip? Thomas? John? All? Or just a few? How about Paul? Luke?

When you let the Spirit of Truth lead you, you can read anything, and it reveals the truth or the falseness. It isn't dictated by man, men or any religion. You either trust in the Spirit or you trust in men. Men can change words to lead you where they want you to go. To follow physical man is to follow flesh, not spirit. You may be fooled into eating wafers, drinking wine and seeking water for a baptism.

The Spirit rises above all that noise, in my mind anyways.

 

[metis]

Any reason why Paul called out Peter for his "false" thinking? Galatians 2

How about Christ calling Peter "Satan" for his understanding? How about Christ saying Peter would deny him? What about Peter still not understanding when he chose to draw his physical sword in aggression?

Peter was called out many more times in the non Canon "Gospels".

Should we go out and hang ourselves when guilt overwhelms us as Judas did?

To become one with Christ, and the disciples, and the Father, we have one commonality. The Spirit (Holy Spirit). We follow it, and only it. We don't follow the disciples, they were men. We don't follow a walking talking Jesus, but a risen Christ. And we don't follow any OT father that had no clue what the Spirit is/was.

The Spirit (of truth) was given by the Father once Jesus died.

John:
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

So which disciple should we follow? Peter? Philip? Thomas? John? All? Or just a few? How about Paul? Luke?

When you let the Spirit of Truth lead you, you can read anything, and it reveals the truth or the falseness. It isn't dictated by man, men or any religion. You either trust in the Spirit or you trust in men. Men can change words to lead you where they want you to go. To follow physical man is to follow flesh, not spirit. You may be fooled into eating wafers, drinking wine and seeking water for a baptism.

The Spirit rises above all that noise, in my mind anyways.

All you are doing with the above is sidestepping the issue being discussed.

 

[Phantasman]

All you are doing with the above is sidestepping the issue being discussed.

I don't see how. Peter is the Roman church. He created it. The same church that teaches the dominion over man through celestial authority.

I neither believe in it nor follow it. There were 12 who went to the Jews. Not one. And Paul, who taught the Gentiles, brought us spiritual gnosis. Which is why Marcion and Valentinus saw Paul's view over Peters.

The separation is there. But the catholics (small c) didn't want man to even see it. So they attempted to kill and burn the books of anyone who didn't agree. This is called "DOMINION" over man. The very subject of this thread.

Sorry you don't see it.

 

[shunyadragon]

Riggghht!

I suppose if you give falsities you can convince all people some of the times but not all people all the times.

What is false about this?

High School Bans Students From Praying in Free Time

And, incidentally, that was a great strawman to bring up a different subject. But, at least this will show people that you are a great carrier of fake news.

I thought I would add with emphasis that the school allows prayer and activities for different religions before and after school hours. The same would apply to Muslims wanting prayer observances or workshops on Shiria Law. I am sure this would absolutely not be allowed on the grounds of your private school. I believe North Carolina does allow certain religious activities before and after regular school hours. What you call 'free time' during school hours is not in reality 'free time' to do what ever you want.

You commented on studies showing higher academic achievement in private schools. This is the obvious outcome that public schools have to accept all students, all religious beliefs, and all economic backgrounds. Private schools do not have that obligation.

One up front issue brought out in your posts is your objection to 'secular' schools, and as some describe 'take the Bible out of schools.' The Bible is still in every school and in the library where anyone may go and read it as well as other books of other religions. Public schools need to secular to give equal ground for all religions and beliefs, and secular Methodological Naturalism science free from religious interference.

This issue is critical for the separation of church and state, which Christian Dominion Theology opposes.

This also reflected in the legal rights of Homosexuals, and those of alternative genders, which has opposed by most Conservative Christians that are affiliated with churches that Christian Dominion Theology.

The other up front problem remains the demands by many fundamentalist Christians to teach religious beliefs in science along side or at the exclusion of the science of evolution. The individual different religious views on Creation should be taught in their house of worship and not in the public schools.

 

[Phantasman]

I thought I would add with emphasis that the school allows prayer and activities for different religions before and after school hours. The same would apply to Muslims wanting prayer observances or workshops on Shiria Law. I am sure this would absolutely not be allowed on the grounds of your private school. I believe North Carolina does allow religious activities before and after regular school hours. What you call 'free time' during school hours is not in reality 'free time' to do what ever you want.

You commented on studies showing higher academic achievement in private schools. This is the obvious outcome that public schools have to accept all students, all religious beliefs, and all economic backgrounds. Private schools do not have that obligation.

If children are called to the school for education, it would be wrong to grab them from such gathering to provoke religion. If Muslim have to perform certain prayers at certain times that interfere with education provided by schools, then Muslim children need to find a private school that allows for such.

It's not the governments role to teach or assemble children for religious purposes. Christ said "give to Caesar what's Caesars and to God what's Gods". Times of the day doesn't dictate when this occurs. Holy Hours make as much sense as Holy Days. God doesn't schedule with a watch or calendar.

 

[shunyadragon]

If children are called to the school for education, it would be wrong to grab them from such gathering to provoke religion. If Muslim have to perform certain prayers at certain times that interfere with education provided by schools, then Muslim children need to find a private school that allows for such.

It's not the governments role to teach or assemble children for religious purposes. Christ said "give to Caesar what's Caesars and to God what's Gods". Times of the day doesn't dictate when this occurs. Holy Hours make as much sense as Holy Days. God doesn't schedule with a watch or calendar.

I am not sure we are in disagreement here. Though many school systems do make allowances for religious obligatory prayers. I do not believe we can force the different religions into their own school over this issue.

 

[Phantasman]

I am not sure we are in disagreement here. Tough many school systems do make allowances for religious obligatory prayers. I do not believe we can force the different religions into their own school over this issue.

No, friend. We see it the same. You know, like I know, there is a difference in education of the world, and education of the spirit. We both see the division of the sword. Others don't. Maybe I just wasn't as forgiving. My bad.

 

[spiros]

The lack of authority today by the Roman Church is because they lost it, and not because the Roman Church does not believe in ultimate Christian Dominion Theology. Christian Dominion Theology is the ultimate goal of the Roman Church, and the historical and traditional belief by the Roman Church.

After loosing their power as the separation of church and state grew the Roman Church turned to Inegralism.

From: Dominion theology - Wikipedia
Integralism
Catholic Integralism has been characterized as a form of dominionist theology.[20] Antonio Spadaro and Marcelo Figueroa have stated that Catholic Integralists have entered into a non-traditional ecumenical alliance with Protestant reconstructionists who share "the same desire for religious influence in the political sphere".[ Likewise, in the National Catholic Reporter, Joshua J. McElwee stated that Catholic Integralists, along with their Protestant counterparts, wish to achieve the goal of establishing a "theocratic type of state".

This is very interesting. It is like an article but free

 

[Kenny]

The "big to do" is the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, plus the fact that a government school shouldn't be allowing forcing a specific religion down our children's throats, imo.

If there are to be prayers said in public schools, whose prayers are to be used and who will draw these prayers up? the government? who? Why not just allow students to meet before or after school or just pray on their own during their free time?

OK... I agree. I also agree with student led prayer (no matter what religion).

As far as "On free time"... when you are about to have a test... why should we stop them? And, yes, before, after, during lunch.

As I mentioned before, it is when teachers actually restrict freedom that is my issue. If they are asking for a historical report, and they want to do it on Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, then let them do it.

IMV, it is ludicrous that it even has to go to court.

Forcing religion is not what public schools are for, especially since the U.S. is much more diversified religiously than a couple of hundred years ago. Should agnostics and atheists also be allowed to have their say if prayers are to be reintroduced into the curriculum? If not, why not?

As a former educator, I believe teaching basic morality is very important, but I don't think a specific religion's teachings should be forced on students.

Hope ya had a great weekend.

Great weekend. Family picnic. And, yes, should be forced on students.

 

[metis]

I also agree with student led prayer (no matter what religion).

That was ruled against because it's still prayer to a deity or deities, so it's still forced on others. Those who have no inclinations are being pretty much forced to go along with something that simply should not be forced upon them because it's not part of a curriculum. One thing we all should remember is that we really can't and shouldn't try and force religion down students' throats-- it really doesn't work anyway.

As far as "On free time"... when you are about to have a test... why should we stop them?

We shouldn't, and court rulings have given students that right.

As I mentioned before, it is when teachers actually restrict freedom that is my issue. If they are asking for a historical report, and they want to do it on Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, then let them do it.

That's legal as well, and I did as such in my anthropology and comparative religions courses.

Great weekend. Family picnic.

And I had a great weekend since I didn't have time to read any of your posts!