The Creation of Woman

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, to bust your balloon, but death is destruction, the return to non existence.

The promises are so much different. Here the promise is one government for all of earth, all nations under one government impartial to this or that race, no more wars, no more illness, even most deaths may be avoided. The return of the earth to a paradise state, instead of us destroying it.

Your unjustified superstitious beliefs were not being doubted. I merely pointed out that you can still have them even if you accept reality. One story in the Bible is clearly a story, a myth, an event that never happened, is the flood of Noah. It is easy to demonstrate that that never happened. Jesus even made a poetic allusion to Noah, that does not make him real. It does not make Jesus a liar if he was not real. But the amazing amount of evidence that tells us that there was no flood would make God a liar if the flood was real. Think about it, your God would have had to fabricate endless evidence that tells us that there was no flood, if the flood was real that would make him a liar. Instead it is much wiser to look at that story as a morality tale. The same goes for the Adam and Eve myths. It does not make the stories worthless. It merely means that one should not treat them as if they actually happened.

 

[Grandliseur]

Your unjustified superstitious beliefs were not being doubted. I merely pointed out that you can still have them even if you accept reality. One story in the Bible is clearly a story, a myth, an event that never happened, is the flood of Noah. It is easy to demonstrate that that never happened. Jesus even made a poetic allusion to Noah, that does not make him real. It does not make Jesus a liar if he was not real. But the amazing amount of evidence that tells us that there was no flood would make God a liar if the flood was real. Think about it, your God would have had to fabricate endless evidence that tells us that there was no flood, if the flood was real that would make him a liar. Instead it is much wiser to look at that story as a morality tale. The same goes for the Adam and Eve myths. It does not make the stories worthless. It merely means that one should not treat them as if they actually happened.

Your opinion versus mine.
That is how things work, continually. We cannot agree, except where our beliefs already do agree, such as death is the return to non existence. That random events happen, sheet happens, Murphy at work.
That people like music, food, and what not, that pain should be avoided when possible.

 

[FearGod]

I live in the real world. And yes, my reality is your reality whether you like it or not. Gravity affects you, whether you like it or not. You are the product of evolution, whether you like it or not.

And those facts should not affect your religious beliefs. Go ahead and have all the hope for an afterlife that you like. The theory of evolution should not change that. But you should not deny reality, and you should definitely not make false statements about your fellow man.

And if you could be honest and put away your fear for a while you could learn why we know that life is the product of evolution.

Think of it this way. Let's say that your God was real. What good would it do to explain to his early followers how they came into being? Would they understand? Obviously without a basic science background they could not. Would it do any good? Again, no. How life evolved should not be a question that concerns your salvation. Whether you are evolved or not the Jesus story still should work out, if true.

You aren't evolved, you were created in your mother womb, no magic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your opinion versus mine.
That is how things work, continually. We cannot agree, except where our beliefs already do agree, such as death is the return to non existence. That random events happen, sheet happens, Murphy at work.
That people like music, food, and what not, that pain should be avoided when possible.

The big difference between the two of us is that all you have is opinion. I have evidence and logic on my side as well. Your use of a computer confirms the science that I accept. I can demonstrate that I am correct, you . . . not so much.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You aren't evolved, you were created in your mother womb, no magic.

How ironic. A person that believes in magic is accusing someone that does not believe in magic of doing so.

Sorry, but evolution does not rely on magic at all. Your inability to understand does not make evolution magic. On the other hand the Genesis story tells of a god using magic to make the world. He uses spoken incantations and a talisman and other magical objects in the story.

 

[FearGod]

How ironic. A person that believes in magic is accusing someone that does not believe in magic of doing so.

Sorry, but evolution does not rely on magic at all. Your inability to understand does not make evolution magic. On the other hand the Genesis story tells of a god using magic to make the world. He uses spoken incantations and a talisman and other magical objects in the story.

Were you evolved, or were you fabricated in your mother's womb ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Were you evolved, or were you fabricated in your mother's womb ?

Your question is poorly formed. Try again.

ETA: Here is a note for future questions, it is dishonest to ask a question with an unwarranted assumption in the question itself. An excellent example is the question:

Have you quit beating your wife yet?

It makes an unwarranted assumption. Yours is similar. See if you can spot your mistake.

 

[FearGod]

Your question is poorly formed. Try again.

Are your mother a monkey?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are your mother a monkey?

Define 'monkey'. You probably cannot define the term properly. If it is a monophyletic term than not only was my mother a monkey, so was yours.

 

[SalixIncendium]

You aren't evolved, you were created in your mother womb, no magic.

Were you evolved, or were you fabricated in your mother's womb ?

Evolution happens over time through natural selection, not in 9 months of gestation. So to answer your question, yes, humans are evolved, and yes, we are derived in the womb from two cells, spermatozoon and the oocyte, which gave rise to a new organism, the zygote, which developed through gestation into a human.

 

[FearGod]

Define 'monkey'. You probably cannot define the term properly. If it is a monophyletic term than not only was my mother a monkey, so was yours.

Monkeys are kind of animals that don't have religion compared to intelligent humans.

 

[FearGod]

Evolution happens over time through natural selection, not in 9 months of gestation. So to answer your question, yes, humans are evolved, and yes, we are derived in the womb from two cells, spermatozoon and the oocyte, which gave rise to a new organism, the zygote, which developed through gestation into a human.

So you as individual, evolved or fabricated?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Monkeys are kind of animals that don't have religion compared to intelligent humans.

Wow! Amazing fail on your part. That is not how one defines monkeys at all. Whether or not an animal has religion does not even begin to enter into the definition, and you are a kind of an animal.

Try again.

 

[Polymath257]

So you as individual, evolved or fabricated?

It's not an either/or situation. I, as an individual, developed in my mother's womb. And humans (along with the process of reproduction) evolved.

These things happen on different time scales: evolution over the course of several generations and 'fabrication' (better called development) over the course of 9 months.

 

[SalixIncendium]

So you as individual, evolved or fabricated?

Your question cannot be answered one or the other, because the choices offered are completely unconnected.

Fabrication implies manufacture by another. As an individual, I am a product of the my mother's ovum being fertilized by my father's sperm. There was no one doing any fabrication. I am also the product of evolution through natural selection, therefore I am evolved.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

yet, there is no hope offered by it. There is no benefit from it at all, for the individual or for society in general. The only thing we get from this belief without god is that we all are doomed with global warming and atomic warfare.

That claim is just as false and absurd as the claim that evolution deals with biogenesis. You don't need god and an afterlife for purpose, morality,social functioning, or any other reason theists state you need god for. If anything, it seems religion is a hindrance and a crutch that prevents people from reaching and achieving such things on a genuine level. And benefits for society? What is more beneficial: improve people's lot in this life because it's what we get, or stall on improvements because there is the "afterlife" to look forward to that will be better anyways? And, indeed, this belief in living in a post-death paradise has put many people in a rut of tolerating the slings and arrows of the time that is their life instead of working to improve things.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You aren't evolved, you were created in your mother womb, no magic.

Every living organism has evolved to where its species is at, and evolving to what its species will be. Every living organism was also produced through some sort of reproduction.

 

[FearGod]

No, if you ask proper questions I will answer them. Seriously if someone demanded a "Yes/No" answer would you answer the question:

"Have you quit beating your wife yet?"

You should not ask questions with false assumptions within them.

You don't want to admit that you are fabricated/created in your mother's womb.
Evolution was millions years ago.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Evolution was millions years ago.

Wrong. Evolution is an ongoing process which is continuing on even as I type this post.

 

[FearGod]

Every living organism has evolved to where its species is at, and evolving to what its species will be. Every living organism was also produced through some sort of reproduction.

All species are made up by reproduction, evolution has no place in reality except if we can
see new kinds evolving every now and then which isn't the case, the reality that we can see
and test is reproducing.