The Creation of Woman

[Polymath257]

You don't want to admit that you are fabricated/created in your mother's womb.
Evolution was millions years ago.

Evolution is a process: it is how species change over time. And species are *still* changing, so evolution is a process that is happening today.

But, it is a process that happens over generations, not over the life of an individual.

All of us *develop* in our mother's wombs. That is a bit different than fabrication or creation, though. Again, development is a natural process and is part of our life *cycle*, which includes the living sperm and egg cells.

 

[Polymath257]

All species are made up by reproduction, evolution has no place in reality except if we can
see new kinds evolving every now and then which isn't the case, the reality that we can see
and test is reproducing.

And we can see and test changes in populations over generations. And that is evolution.

 

[FearGod]

Wrong. Evolution is an ongoing process which is continuing on even as I type this post.

Are you evolving?

 

[Polymath257]

Are you evolving?

Individuals do not evolve. Populations do. Evolution is changes of populations over generations.

 

[FearGod]

Individuals do not evolve. Populations do. Evolution is changes of populations over generations.

And which populations are evolving now?

 

[Grandliseur]

And, indeed, this belief in living in a post-death paradise has put many people in a rut

If you read some of the items I mentioned to the @Subduction Zone, you would have seen that I clearly stated that death is destruction and the return to non-existence.

The promise we get from the Bible is a global government of earth by Christ and sub-kings. These shall do away with national wars, global wars, with the expenditures of arms, with the destruction of earth and in fact return the earth to a pristine state where all, animals and men, live in harmony with earth making it a Paradise in which humans are promised health and the doing away with illnesses, and the life expectancy of some will be very long. Crime shall be regulated differently also.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you read some of the items I mentioned to the @Subduction Zone, you would have seen that I clearly stated that death is destruction and the return to non-existence.

The promise we get from the Bible is a global government of earth by Christ and sub-kings. These shall do away with national wars, global wars, with the expenditures of arms, with the destruction of earth and in fact return the earth to a pristine state where all, animals and men, live in harmony with earth making it a Paradise in which humans are promised health and the doing away with illnesses, and the life expectancy of some will be very long. Crime shall be regulated differently also.

Why should we wait for such a utopia and not work today to bring it about tomorrow?

 

[Polymath257]

And which populations are evolving now?

All populations change a bit from generation to generation due to genetic drift. But faster evolution happens among populations subject to environmental stresses.

We have seen new species of lizards evolve and new species of finches, for example.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

evolution has no place in reality except if we can
see new kinds evolving every now and then which isn't the case

We see it going on all around us. There is even a thread about it:
Evolution Observed

 

[Grandliseur]

Why should we wait for such a utopia and not work today to bring it about tomorrow?

Go ahead and work all you want. All the while, a famous atheist Professor has said we have from 100 years to 1000 years left before humanity is dead along with the planet.
The fact that we now are in a time where:

"The number of wild animals living on Earth is set to fall by two-thirds by 2020, according to a new report, part of a mass extinction that is destroying the natural world upon which humanity depends."
World on track to lose two-thirds of wild animals by 2020, major report warns​

I admire your optimism in spite of everything telling us that the opposite is happening.

 

[Polymath257]

Go ahead and work all you want. All the while, a famous atheist Professor has said we have from 100 years to 1000 years left before humanity is dead along with the planet.
The fact that we now are in a time where:

"The number of wild animals living on Earth is set to fall by two-thirds by 2020, according to a new report, part of a mass extinction that is destroying the natural world upon which humanity depends."
World on track to lose two-thirds of wild animals by 2020, major report warns​

I admire your optimism in spite of everything telling us that the opposite is happening.

I think those projections are way too pessimistic. The Earth has been through major extinction events before. The one at the end of the Permian killed off 98% of all species at the time.

There is literally nothing we can do that will make this planet sterile. Even a full scale nuclear war would not be enough for that.

On the other hand, we may well be able to kill ourselves off. But if we do, after a few million or tens of millions of years, the Earth will be back to abundant life.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

All species are made up by reproduction, evolution has no place in reality except if we can
see new kinds evolving every now and then which isn't the case, the reality that we can see
and test is reproducing.

Are you evolving?

And which populations are evolving now?

Why are you starting threads about evolution when it is incredibly obvious you haven't got the first idea what it is or how it actually works at even a basic level?

 

[FearGod]

All populations change a bit from generation to generation due to genetic drift. But faster evolution happens among populations subject to environmental stresses.

We have seen new species of lizards evolve and new species of finches, for example.

And all are products of reproduction regardless of a tiny changes that may happen, all are fabricated.
No magic but intelligent maker.

 

[Grandliseur]

I think those projections are way too pessimistic. The Earth has been through major extinction events before. The one at the end of the Permian killed off 98% of all species at the time.

There is literally nothing we can do that will make this planet sterile. Even a full scale nuclear war would not be enough for that.

On the other hand, we may well be able to kill ourselves off. But if we do, after a few million or tens of millions of years, the Earth will be back to abundant life.

My comments in the post you answered here were my answer to what a world without the promises of God may expect, whether sooner or later.

Just before that I answered what the promises are that believers can expect to happen to earth, a global government that rules all nations, has done away with war, restored nature to a balance with man in which we no longer rape our planet while also function as caretakers of it, bringing it and us into a kind of Paradise condition.

Naturally, atheists cannot believe this, but this is what believers are promised. The promises without God's assistance are fairly clear. We are facing rising seas that shall cause huge changes globally as the seas rise since many of our most populous cities and countries are quite low level and already suffer from rising waters. The changes all of this brings on the food chain, on growing food is nothing but disastrous. There is clear danger of war about resources from all of this, and already China is showing its teeth because of preparing for these problems. We have nearly exhausted the resources of fish. So, while you may believe the earth will bounce back, before that it shall indeed bounce, but in our faces first.

The rising seas will also affect volcanic activity since the gravitational changes resulting on the tectonic plates due to pressure released from the buoyancy of the waters. Already, we see a large increase in volcanism around the globe; I would think this related to the rise of the seas. Perhaps there are other reasons for this, but it is at least a contributing factor in this problem.

 

[Polymath257]

My comments in the post you answered here were my answer to what a world without the promises of God may expect, whether sooner or later.

Just before that I answered what the promises are that believers can expect to happen to earth, a global government that rules all nations, has done away with war, restored nature to a balance with man in which we no longer rape our planet while also function as caretakers of it, bringing it and us into a kind of Paradise condition.

Naturally, atheists cannot believe this, but this is what believers are promised. The promises without God's assistance are fairly clear. We are facing rising seas that shall cause huge changes globally as the seas rise since many of our most populous cities and countries are quite low level and already suffer from rising waters. The changes all of this brings on the food chain, on growing food is nothing but disastrous. There is clear danger of war about resources from all of this, and already China is showing its teeth because of preparing for these problems. We have nearly exhausted the resources of fish. So, while you may believe the earth will bounce back, before that it shall indeed bounce, but in our faces first.

The rising seas will also affect volcanic activity since the gravitational changes resulting on the tectonic plates due to pressure released from the buoyancy of the waters. Already, we see a large increase in volcanism around the globe; I would think this related to the rise of the seas. Perhaps there are other reasons for this, but it is at least a contributing factor in this problem.

OK, but I don't trust empty promises. I find it *far* better to attempt to motivate people to change their behavior and solve *our* problems ourselves. From my perspective, this is a human responsibility. We have the choice and at least some of the power. it is a matter of being willing to do the hard work to solve these problems.

Unfortunately, I don't see that will.

Hoping for intervention by a deity seems like just giving up to me. It's a dereliction of our duty.

 

[Grandliseur]

OK, but I don't trust empty promises. I find it *far* better to attempt to motivate people to change their behavior and solve *our* problems ourselves. From my perspective, this is a human responsibility. We have the choice and at least some of the power. it is a matter of being willing to do the hard work to solve these problems.

Unfortunately, I don't see that will.

Hoping for intervention by a deity seems like just giving up to me. It's a dereliction of our duty.

Nobody tells us to sit down and do nothing. In fact the opposite is true. God expects each person to do what they can; he doesn't expect each person to do what they cannot.
That to me is one of the premises of faith, you do what you can, sometimes 110 percent, and pray to be helped with the rest.

There is a scripture about that, it says that the righteous shall be given help at the right time. In my experience, this translates often as 'in the nick of time' just before it is too late. There is also another one for the saints, it says that on occasion they shall feel condemned to death before they get the help they seek so that they can know it was not by their power they succeeded. In both cases, total effort is demanded. There is no question of 'dereliction of duty.'

Unfortunately, many who do not believe - take faith to mean what you just described. That is misunderstanding the relationship God has with his servants. In fact, there is one scripture where God reprimands some of us because he tells us in that case that we have caused him to be forced to serve us, to clean up our messes, and that is a no no.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't want to admit that you are fabricated/created in your mother's womb.
Evolution was millions years ago.

No, I object to your poor use of English. Yes, I personally took form in my mother's womb. And evolution is still going on today. It appears that you do not understand the concept. I find that is the case quite often among creationists.

Evolution is a slow change over time, it is very similar to changes in languages that cause new languages to arise.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And all are products of reproduction regardless of a tiny changes that may happen, all are fabricated.
No magic but intelligent maker.

Why do you, a believer in magic, try to keep making the false claim that others believe in magic? There is no magic in evolution. Just change over the generations.

 

[FearGod]

Why do you, a believer in magic, try to keep making the false claim that others believe in magic? There is no magic in evolution. Just change over the generations.

There's no change, but a new creation appears from reproduction, creation after creation, no magic.

 

[FearGod]

No, I object to your poor use of English. Yes, I personally took form in my mother's womb. And evolution is still going on today. It appears that you do not understand the concept. I find that is the case quite often among creationists.

Evolution is a slow change over time, it is very similar to changes in languages that cause new languages to arise.

You were created in your mother's womb, you're a creation, I'm not talking millions of years ago
when you were a monkey, but the reality today you're a human being created in your mother's womb.