The creator did it.

[shunyadragon]

Faith is confidence towards something. It could be a known or unknown.

Some definitions of faith may deal with the known as in one;s faith in an airplane, but for the most part here faith means the beleif in something without objective verifiable evidence.

And i think only part of reality fits our intuitions, and most of reality is beyond human knowledge and intuition. But who knows?

Too vague, and 'Who knows?' has a high fog index and not meaningful.

Humans are storytellers. In a hundred years the stories will change.

OK

People talk as though logic and observation are foolproof, and every ultimate answer is knowable and i highly doubt that is the case.

Who talk? For the most part not scientists, where nothing is foolproof..

Some scientists say spacetime is doomed. Perhaps according to mathematics or something.

Some scientists?!?!?!

Is math reality? Or is it a purely human construct?

Of course, math is not reality. In science math is part of the 'tool box' in supporting falsification of theories, hypothesis and theorems, and in simple layman's terms if math works OK, and if it does not OK back to the drawing board,.

I really don't put faith into science nor religion in the area of absolute definitive explanation of reality. But its fun to try.

Science is not based on faith nor does it claim to an 'an absolute explanation of reality,' but some religions do make this claim, without any objective verifiable evidence to support their claim, and yes based on faith.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But shouldnt you be asking about the christian idea of faith ( hebrews 11:1)? Any 9ther would be nonapplicable to me

How is what Hebrews 11 describes different from wishful thinking?

 

[osgart]

Here is a scientist that says spacetime is doomed to dissolve into something more fundamental.

I simply do not see a problem with the observance that intentionality is evident in the functionality of living things. How would you disprove intentionality, or prove intentionality?

Why people attack this observance is beyond me!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here is a scientist that says spacetime is doomed to dissolve into something more fundamental.

I simply do not see a problem with the observance that intentionality is evident in the functionality of living things. How would you disprove intentionality, or prove intentionality?

Why people attack this observance is beyond me!

How have you observed intentionality?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Since science/observation has repeatedly shown that something does not come from nothing and life does not come from nonliving things can you blame someone for concluding that there is some sort if creator even if you dont believe that? Once this door is open why couldnt someone simply believe " my creator did it"? So what if someone is not interested in the exact processes used.

So, let me get this straight... you want to allow people who are "not interested in the exact processes used" to be able to tell you (and others) about what they know of those processes? Seriously? You want people who don't care what the truth is about these things to propagate what amounts to make-believe knowledge for the very reason you mentioned... they didn't care enough to investigate the realities. That's what you think we should all just chill out about and simply allow without questioning?

 

[osgart]

How have you observed intentionality?

The structure, shape and functionality of the human body.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The structure, shape and functionality of the human body.

That is not an observation of intentionality.

 

[sealchan]

Since science/observation has repeatedly shown that something does not come from nothing and life does not come from nonliving things can you blame someone for concluding that there is some sort if creator even if you dont believe that? Once this door is open why couldnt someone simply believe " my creator did it"? So what if someone is not interested in the exact processes used.

I don't think that it is sincere for you to say that science shows that life does not come from non-living things...this goes against what one can find often claimed as an assumption and a goal for science to puzzle out and there are plenty of ideas and even experiments which are looking at how life emerged from non-living biochemical processes.

If you would like to learn more about this I would be glad to look up some sources and post them here if others haven't already done so.

For instance there is an entire field of biochemistry where one is looking at the chemical (non-living) interactions involved in biological (living) systems.

 

[osgart]

That is not an observation of intentionality.

Sure it is. Its crude intentionality.

Its obviously purposed to walk, see, hear, think, smell, grab, and other things. Anything that functions is intended to be.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure it is. Its crude intentionality.

Its obviously purposed to walk, see, hear, think, smell, grab, and other things. Anything that functions is intended to be.

Unsupported claim.

 

[ecco]

Faith is the belief on things NOT SEEN. this is different from total blind faith.

Uh huh.

 

[ecco]

Even with local disasters that doesnt mesn there wasnt a large one before

Before what? When? Please be specific so we can do an analysis.

 

[shunyadragon]

Here is a scientist that says spacetime is doomed to dissolve into something more fundamental.

I simply do not see a problem with the observance that intentionality is evident in the functionality of living things. How would you disprove intentionality, or prove intentionality?

Your first statement was incomplete misleading without clarification that the video provides. "Doomed" is a poor choice of words to explain that time and space are emergent from the Quantum World with the expansion of the singularity. This is nothing new. The lecturer was addressing scientists concerning the problems with the hypothesis of emergent time, and not layman. I may comment on this further after listening to the video carefully.

It is obviously true that the concept of emergent time and space is not completely resolved.

Why people attack this observance is beyond me!

Here is a scientist that says spacetime is doomed to dissolve into something more fundamental.

Quantum Mechanics of the Quantum World is what is what would be more fundamental.

I simply do not see a problem with the observance that intentionality is evident in the functionality of living things. How would you disprove intentionality, or prove intentionality?

Prove?!?!?!

Neither intentionality nor non-intentionality is falsifiable as a hypothesis in Methodological Naturalism.

Why people attack this observance is beyond me!

. . . because your previous statement was incomplete and misleading. The video cleared things up.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Since science/observation has repeatedly shown that something does not come from nothing and life does not come from nonliving things can you blame someone for concluding that there is some sort if creator even if you dont believe that? Once this door is open why couldnt someone simply believe " my creator did it"? So what if someone is not interested in the exact processes used.

If something cannot come from nothing then where did God come from?

 

[shunyadragon]

If something cannot come from nothing then where did God come from?

God is essentially timeless and eternal. Actually the Baha'i Faith considers our physical existence as eternal with God.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

God is essentially timeless and eternal. Actually the Baha'i Faith considers our physical existence as eternal with God.

The question was directed to the person who believes in God yet made the claim that "something does not come from nothing."

 

[shunyadragon]

The question was directed to the person who believes in God yet made the claim that "something does not come from nothing."

OK

 

[Bear Wild]

If something cannot come from nothing then where did God come from?

Human imagination and desire.

 

[Jumi]

In your view did the creator create it from something or was there nothing? I believe that there was no time when there was nothing.

 

[ecco]

God is essentially timeless and eternal.

That's the same old cop-out non-answer that all religious people give.

Everything needs a cause and a beginning except our god.
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The only good response to that is "Uncastrated Adult Male Bovine Feces".