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The Crook-In-Chief

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You still have an idealism about politics which I've lost. Maybe a lot of other folks have lost as well.

It's gone far past that for me.

I've lost respect for the American voter, I no longer think that the American government is working for me, and for the first time in my life, I see the down side of cherished principles such as free speech and democracy. If you can so easily propagandize and manipulate an electorate, and then they vote like we just saw them vote, all citizens are screwed.

America will never be great again. How can it be when its people thinks that a narcissist, a pathological liar, a business cheat, and a sexual predator could ever make America great?

Remember, there are Hitlers everywhere at all times waiting to demagogue and seize power from a weak people. When that happens, the pathology is not the Hitler. It's the people willing to overlook the multiple red flags and embrace such a person. Hitlers are opportunistic infections that flair when a nation's immune system - its intellectual and moral fabric in this analogy - is failing. Who is going to fix that?

Prediction: The rule of law is dead. This president will be charged with crimes, be impeached by Congress or resign just ahead of that, and never be indicted - just like Nixon.

Too cynical?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Prediction: The rule of law is dead. This president will be charged with crimes, be impeached by Congress or resign just ahead of that, and never be indicted - just like Nixon.

Too cynical?

I don't think Trump has the personality to resign. I think Trump has a lot of resources and will be difficult to impeach.

You maybe right, but my prediction is the remaining four years like the last seven months - Media criticisms, marches, protests and many, many more tweets.

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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think it's possible Trump might resign if he continues to stress-out as we hear he is doing. Impeachment I consider less likely but possible, but that probably wouldn't even happen until after the mid-terms at the earliest.

We have to remember that Watergate took over 900 days from beginning to Nixon's resignation, although that was far less serious than this appears to be because of the Russian meddling that may or may not be ever linked to Trump himself. The FBI probe they announced is a criminal one, but we don't know who may have done what, plus the FBI tends to move very cautiously and slowly on such serious matters such as these.

IMO, it's premature to say much of anything about what will supposedly happen and when it may happen, but it does make me wonder if they may want a quicker resolution so as to make adjustments before the 2018 election.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
We have to remember that Watergate took over 900 days from beginning to Nixon's resignation

It took a while to connect the burglars at the Watergate Hotel to the White House, and longer yet to connect the cover-up with the president.

This president is ears deep in this mess already after less than 180 days in office, and he doesn't seem to be able to take a step without hurting himself and his defense further. Trump already has a special prosecutor investigating him personally as well as others, who is having no difficulty getting people to join his team whose careers would be harmed if this investigation doesn't bring Trump down.

The big difference between then and now is that in the seventies, both parties put country and justice ahead of partisanship. I don't know if the congressional Republicans care about either any more, but they do care about themselves.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Trump already has a special prosecutor investigating him personally as well as others, who is having no difficulty getting people to join his team whose careers would be harmed if this investigation doesn't bring Trump down.
I hope their careers are utterly ruined by a total failure to bring down Trump and remove him from office (though I suspect the author is projecting way too much into it).
That is how much Pence concerns me.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I hope their careers are utterly ruined by a total failure to bring down Trump and remove him from office (though I suspect the author is projecting way too much into it).
That is how much Pence concerns me.

I'm also not convinced that bringing those lawyers from the DOJ into the special prosecutor's fold means that there is already a compelling case against Trump and these guys want to be a part of it. But that is very possible. They have pretty much burned the bridges behind them if Trump or Sessions is still standing when this is over. Perhaps they are prepared to retire, or have other appealing options, but their careers at the DOJ are over if Mueller doesn't deliver.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I'm also not convinced that bringing those lawyers from the DOJ into the special prosecutor's fold means that there is already a compelling case against Trump and these guys want to be a part of it.
It wouldn't make sense if they did have a compelling case already against Trump. If they had one by now, Comey it's likely Comey knew they were at least beginning an investigation against Trump. He's been out for a minute now, but these things take time. I'd more believe a story that claims they were presented with some evidence that points in the president's direction. But a solid, sure case, I'm not buying it.
 
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