The de-transition movement has reached Germany

[Shadow Wolf]

It should be reduced to zero, since there are not disposable victims.
And the physicians and parents should be held accountable, if it deals with minors.

There is no zero in medicine. Someone will habe regrets, someone will have side effects. Doesn't matter the treatment or ailmemt.

 

[Estro Felino]

There is no zero in medicine. Someone will habe regrets, someone will have side effects. Doesn't matter the treatment or ailmemt.

With all due respect, I don't want to criticize the United Stated. I really don't.
But that's the failure or permissivism and liberalism.

Because in my country (that people call fascistic because anything is controlled by the State), you need a psychiatric expertise to undergo both the HRT and the surgery . To verify gender dysphoria is not caused by bipolarism or other psychiatric disorders.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For more understanding

Here's some perspective for how stupid this is. The rates are much higher for knee replacement.

Patients’ experiences of discontentment one year after total knee arthroplasty- a qualitative study - PMC

Total knee arthroplasty is a common procedure with generally good results. However, there are still patients who are dissatisfied without known explanation. Satisfaction and dissatisfaction have previously been captured by quantitative designs, but ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Of the 348 patients who responded to a letter asking if they were satisfied or dissatisfied with their surgery, 61 (18%) reported discontent.
...
Previous studies have shown 6–30% of patients are dissatisfied after the surgery,
...
In Sweden, about 8% of patients without documented complications are non-satisfied

 

[Estro Felino]

Here's some perspective for how stupid this is. The rates are much higher for knee replacement.

Patients’ experiences of discontentment one year after total knee arthroplasty- a qualitative study - PMC

Total knee arthroplasty is a common procedure with generally good results. However, there are still patients who are dissatisfied without known explanation. Satisfaction and dissatisfaction have previously been captured by quantitative designs, but ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Honestly I know no transwoman who regretted vaginoplasty. Quite the opposite.
Because physicians certify people's convictions, first.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

With all due respect, I don't want to criticize the United Stated. I really don't.
But that's the failure or permissivism and liberalism.

You can't give an accurate criticizim of something if you don't know ****s from dildos about it. And it's not just America but also healthcare.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Honestly I know no transwoman who regretted vaginoplasty. Quite the opposite.
Because physicians certify people's convictions, first.

I promise you even some Italians have regreted it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I promise you even some Italians have regreted it.

Of course. So many Europeans, as well. Germans too.
This is what this thread is about.
The point is we ought to find a way to prevent this.

 

[Estro Felino]

You can't give an accurate criticizim of something if you don't know dicks from dildos about it. And it's not just America but also healthcare.

It's a fact that anything is private and privatized in the US.
The State couldn't care less what American citizens do with their own body.

There's also a very private vision of sex and sexuality, in the US.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's a fact that anything is private in the US.

Seriously, where in the bluest of blue hells do you get your info about America? You should probably entirely cut this source out of your life because you are consitenly wrong and just as wrong if I said Osaka is a tiny farming village in Germany and the Germans don't like beer, cheese or chocolate and say dia dhuit before fighting and topless women on TV are strictly prohibited.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did you know that psychiatrists are physicians?
They go thru medical school, just like other docs.
They prescribe drugs, including for transition.
And they can refer clients to a surgeon to complete the process.

How did he feel about Putin?

That is both true and technically false.
Hormones are actually a general part of medicine in general, so psychiatrists can prescribe hormones for various health issues. Indeed they’re used for various health issues in cis gendered people, including children. Have been for decades.

Interestingly the medical community is asking whether or not phsyhiatrists should be included in the professionals who currently prescribe hormones or more specifically gender affirming care. The studies I’ve seen all seem to favour this inclusion, arguing that since a psychiatrist would be able to diagnose such situations with high competency, them being able to give such prescriptions would not only be safe, it would also make such care much easier to access. Which is considered a net benefit

How about not blabbering about what you don't know?

Psychiatrists don't handle HRT, no. That would be an endocrinologist or a GP.

 

[Estro Felino]

Psychiatrists don't handle HRT, no. That would be an endocrinologist or a GP.

Thank you so much SF.
I have been trying to explain that psychiatrists study the brain, not the endocrine systems and the sexual apparatuses.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Thank you so much SF.
I have been trying to explain that psychiatrists study the brain, not the endocrine systems and the sexual apparatuses.

They just prescribe psych drugs. It's funny how people want to jump you at times when they don't even have their own facts straight.

 

[Estro Felino]

They just prescribe psych drugs. It's funny how people want to jump you at times when they don't even have their own facts straight.

Thank you for your sympathy.
I know.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They just prescribe psych drugs. It's funny how people want to jump you at times when they don't even have their own facts straight.

Estro claimed it was just endos.
Amd before you tell others to get their facts straight make sure your own are straight. Psychiatrists can prescribe more than psychotropic meds (inckuding hormones). It's a psychologist who is restricted to that, and even that depends on a few things because it's not a universal given that psychologists can write prescriptions.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Estro claimed it was just endos.
Amd before you tell others to get their facts straight make sure your own are straight. Psychiatrists can prescribe more than psychotropic meds. It's a psychologist who is restricted to that, and even that depends on a few things because a universal that psychologists can write prescriptions.

Psychologists aren't allowed to prescribe anything, as they aren't medical doctors. It's psychiatric nurse practitioners who can prescribe drugs in some states. And psychiatrists don't handle HRT. They just don't. So you need to calm down with snapping at people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Psychologists aren't allowed to prescribe anything, as they aren't medical doctors. And psychiatrists don't handle HRT. They just don't. So you need to calm down with snapping at people.

Again, make sure you have your own facts straight before you tell others to do that.

About prescribing psychologists

Allowing prescribing rights for psychologists is an essential step to providing thousands of patients with access to comprehensive mental health care.

www.apaservices.org

In most states, John and his son don’t have many options. But in Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, and New Mexico, the family would have a different option. In those states, appropriately trained psychologists can be granted the right to prescribe medications.

 

[We Never Know]

Again, make sure you have your own facts straight before you tell others to do that.

About prescribing psychologists

Allowing prescribing rights for psychologists is an essential step to providing thousands of patients with access to comprehensive mental health care.

www.apaservices.org

I agree with @Saint Frankenstein post #55.

Just because you gave five states where they can be granted special rights doesn't refute their post.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I agree with @Saint Frankenstein post #55.

Just because you gave five states where they can be granted special rights doesn't refute their post.

It was originally refuting that psychiatrists can only write prescriptions for psychotropic meds, which is false, and pointed out that is a psychiatrist who is restricted to that when they can write them.
It's kind of like PAs in that regard, as their prescription permissions aren't unuversal either.

 

[Callisto]

I don’t think they are encouraged. Such an accusation usually comes from sources who are specifically against the trans community. At least from what I can gather. Indeed it is similar to accusations made in the past regarding (including but not limited to) being gay, being bi, being into interracial dating etc.
Its a common go to in order to generate fear and angst in folks
There are a lot of hoops one has to jump through to even get such a diagnosis let alone “be encouraged.” Apparently even more so now since the US has seemingly made being trans their new favourite dumb culture war topic. Time is a circle, Le sigh

Not really. The process one has to go through to transition has become considerably lax, especially compared to what was required 20 or more years ago; And it looks to be a misstep if not a mistake given the growing numbers of people who detransition. Detransitioners were unheard of 20+ years ago, today their number seems to be growing at a disturbing rate.

 

[Callisto]

Because doctors usually encourage treatment as a whole?
Doctors encourage folks who express feelings of gender dysphoria to transition because that’s a common medically accepted treatment. Similar to recommending an aspirin for pain. It just is. Doesn’t always work but eh

I can't feel "eh" about people who are detransitioning which can be a devastating ordeal to go through, especially if it comes about after hormone therapy and/or surgeries.

Also remember that in the US specifically, many drug companies and insurance agencies may encourage certain prescriptions from doctors and those presciptions might not always be something the doctor agrees with. They are at the mercy of drug companies in ways that you and I simply aren’t.
Not saying that’s the case with gender affirming care. Just that it is a factor in US healthcare

I think this plays a sizable part in the process and is a major contributor for the advent of detransitioners. "Informed consent" doesn't seem to be very informed and leads to people to making significant decisions without accurate diagnosis, not truly having GD, or understanding the longterm impact of their decisions (which can be irrevocable).